Two handymen went missing from a 20-acre Wimer, Oregon farm in 2012 and 2013, respectively. Their whereabouts were unknown until 2014, when detectives visited the farm and made a gruesome discovery.
PLUS: We answer your Mail Call questions and Garrett tells us that throwing food and having sex with inanimate objects is frowned upon in the State of Florida.
Executive Producers for this episode are Christine Rivera, Beth
Davis, Dusty Jay Hicks, and Terri Burke-Wolin.
Associate Producers are Paul Hodge, Tara Mazur, Shantal
Daggett, Jay from Fright Flick FMK, Cherise Webb, Kori Cribbs,
Donny Blake, Holly Mo and Jared Rhodes
Producers are JD, Trent Gobble, Devin Dean, Ashlee O’Connor, Lissa Porrello, Alicia Knight, Maria Selene, Kris Owen, Iain Turner, Dom Cicchitto, Emily Dickendasher, Debby from True Crime University, Sidney Storey, Jeanette LeBlanc and Renee Prata.
Share Criminal AF with your friends or leave a review:
- Spotify
To Support Criminal AF, Buy Merch or Leave Comments for Mail Call and Dear Douchebags:
Criminal AF is a part of The Debauchery. A group of independent podcasts who support and cross promote one another. Visit all of our podcasts at WelcomeToTheDebauchery.com
Leave us a message:
Intro and Outro Music by David Mercurio
All other music, including the music for Florida Person of the Day, Riverboat Rambler by Bo the Drifter, is licensed through Epidemic Sound.
The Debauchery Media Network fosters a collaborative relationship between our podcasters in which ALL involved support and promote one another as a collective and cohesive group. If you have an independent podcast and would like to join us, visit WelcomeToTheDebauchery.com or email Dave Jarry at Dave@CriminalAF.LLC
Friday PlansHow to get generic Viagra for just 0.87 per tablet? Click this link to get $10 off of your order.
Nord VPN
NordVPN secures your data with military-grade encryption & ensures your activity remains private.
VaporDNA
VaporDNA. One of the top & most trusted retailers for E-Cigarettes, E-Liquids & Accessories online.
Pure Romance
For over 30 years, Pure Romance has embraced that sexual wellness is vital to your happiest self.
Disclaimer: This post contains affiliate links. If you make a purchase, I may receive a commission at no extra cost to you.
Speaker 1: Two handymen went missing from a 20-acre Weimar
00:00:03
Oregon farm in 2012 and 2013, respectively.
00:00:07
Their whereabouts were unknown until 2014, when detectives
00:00:12
visited the farm and made a gruesome discovery.
00:00:15
Plus, we answer your mail, call questions and Garrett tells us
00:00:19
that throwing food and having sex with inanimate objects is
00:00:22
frowned upon in the state of Florida.
00:00:24
Who would have thought Florida?
00:00:25
I'm Dave Jari, I'm Garrett Corder and this is Criminal as
00:00:31
Fuck.
00:00:32
What's good, everybody, and welcome back to another episode
00:00:44
of Criminal AF.
00:00:44
Once again, I am Dave Jari and with, as always, is my co-host,
00:00:48
garrett Corder.
00:00:49
How we doing.
00:00:51
Hey, I want to give out a huge, huge shout out to Sydney Story,
00:00:56
dylan White, leah McIntosh, dakota Manchette and Matt Bailey
00:01:01
for becoming our newest members of the debauched.
00:01:04
Thank you so much.
00:01:05
Love the support guys debauched .
00:01:06
Speaker 3: Thank you so much Thank you so much.
00:01:07
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.
00:01:08
We'd also like to say hello to all of our new free members on
00:01:11
Patreon as well.
00:01:13
Good to be back, Garrett.
00:01:17
Speaker 4: Dude, I missed you so much, buddy.
00:01:19
Speaker 1: I went on a nice three to four week little
00:01:21
excursion, did a little.
00:01:24
Speaker 4: I went out to Maine.
00:01:25
Speaker 1: Up to Maine.
00:01:26
Speaker 4: Up up up, you had a little bit more history in your
00:01:30
vacation.
00:01:31
Speaker 1: I just sat on the beach all day.
00:01:32
So for the main listeners, you know, for the public listeners,
00:01:39
we've been going for quite a while.
00:01:40
However, I did post some stuff to our Patreon members.
00:01:43
You can get see all that for $5.'s dave's uh historical vlogs
00:01:48
walking around a fucking mass graveyard dude, I did.
00:01:52
It was an hour and a half video for uh manassas, uh, almost a
00:01:57
two-hour movie for antietam and over two two-hour video for
00:02:01
gettysburg.
00:02:02
So it's all on our patreon.
00:02:04
If you want to check it out, if , tell me to go fuck myself.
00:02:06
I don't know, I won't tell you.
00:02:08
Speaker 4: Yeah, you probably walked a good.
00:02:09
You had to have walked a couple miles.
00:02:10
Speaker 1: Oh, I did A lot of walking.
00:02:12
Hell yeah, I did a lot of walking.
00:02:14
Speaker 4: No, I walked four feet to the beach and sat my ass
00:02:17
out down and did absolutely nothing.
00:02:19
That sounds like more of a vacation to me.
00:02:22
Yeah, you know, to each its own For me.
00:02:25
Speaker 1: I was a little bit too long, like I was over it.
00:02:29
Speaker 4: you know I get what you're saying I think everybody
00:02:34
the vacation's fun, you plan it.
00:02:35
You're like, oh, you're all excited, and then, like halfway
00:02:37
through, you're like I just want to go home in my own bed.
00:02:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want my own bed.
00:02:40
That's all I was thinking.
00:02:42
Call it a day.
00:02:42
You know what I mean.
00:02:43
Speaker 6: Yep yeah, when I spent two weeks in Italy, I was
00:02:46
oh, mr World Traveler over here.
00:02:49
Speaker 1: All right, mr Bougie, fucking Italian.
00:02:51
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to flex, oh yeah, oh yeah.
00:02:52
When he was backpacking through the Swiss Alps.
00:02:55
It's like oh I only eat pizza.
00:03:07
It's delicious by the way that now italian, like actual italian
00:03:09
pizza is delicious.
00:03:09
Yeah, okay, at least the one we had.
00:03:10
Yeah, I see I don't buy it.
00:03:11
No, I'm such a shitty american pizza fan.
00:03:12
Speaker 6: It's just so good.
00:03:13
Yes, I'm not gonna.
00:03:15
I mean connecticut.
00:03:16
Yeah, I know we are the pizza capital of the world and I don't
00:03:20
care what anyone says on this podcast.
00:03:21
Speaker 4: I will argue with you to the death that connecticut
00:03:24
has the best pizza the New Haven pizza, the New Haven pizza.
00:03:26
But there's people that will freak out.
00:03:29
Speaker 6: Well, and I do have to take some people to New Haven
00:03:34
.
00:03:34
Speaker 4: Yes.
00:03:34
Speaker 6: And have them try Sally's and Modern you got to do
00:03:37
the gauntlet.
00:03:38
Speaker 4: That's what we call it.
00:03:46
Speaker 1: We call it if anybody wants to come to Connecticut.
00:03:48
You gotta go to New Haven.
00:03:49
Speaker 4: Do the gauntlet, thanks for the invite, by the
00:03:50
way.
00:03:50
Speaker 7: If you haven't had it .
00:03:51
Speaker 6: I've only had fucking what's his Pepe's at the casino
00:03:52
.
00:03:52
That's not even in Canada.
00:03:53
I've never been to New Haven, you get a slice of either cheese
00:03:57
or pepperoni.
00:03:58
Speaker 4: You can't go specialty because you have to
00:04:00
try the base.
00:04:01
Pepperoni's fine.
00:04:02
Speaker 5: I would say pepperoni ?
00:04:03
Speaker 6: No, it's just true One bite.
00:04:05
Everyone knows the rules.
00:04:06
Speaker 4: It's probably trademarked, so we're screwed
00:04:08
there you go and then try a slice from each place.
00:04:12
Speaker 6: Maybe that needs to be one of our special day trips
00:04:14
that we document Exclusively on the Patreon, exclusively on the
00:04:17
Patreon.
00:04:17
Speaker 4: Exclusively on the.
00:04:18
Speaker 1: Patreon, my, my sons and I.
00:04:20
We went to Philadelphia it was a birthday present given to me
00:04:23
to go tour the Eagle Stadium.
00:04:25
I saw your pic.
00:04:27
We actually did a comparison between D'Alessandro's pizza,
00:04:35
steak and cheese and Chubby's.
00:04:38
Speaker 4: We actually have a video.
00:04:39
You didn't hit the big two.
00:04:40
I haven't put Geno's and Pat's.
00:04:42
Speaker 1: Dude, that's terrific .
00:04:43
Speaker 4: I know it's terrific.
00:04:44
Speaker 1: I know, I know, and they both suck, but I would have
00:04:47
to say D'Alessandro's is probably my number one, ishka
00:04:51
Bibble's my number two, officially.
00:04:53
Speaker 4: Ishka Bibble.
00:04:53
It's a staple on this podcast.
00:04:55
Now is by Steak and Cheese Grinders.
00:04:56
Yep, you and people who are from Australia.
00:04:58
They're like Sub.
00:05:00
Sorry for the non-New Englanders.
00:05:01
Yeah, it's a grinder.
00:05:05
Speaker 1: But what is this thing?
00:05:06
You said you had something for me, oh.
00:05:08
Speaker 4: I almost forgot.
00:05:09
So our friend Debbie over at True Crime University.
00:05:21
Obviously everybody's heard the ads, everybody, all that stuff.
00:05:23
Oh, here we go.
00:05:24
Hold on.
00:05:24
Dave's birthday was a while ago .
00:05:26
We all went on vacation so we haven't posted a new episode in
00:05:29
a while, so this will be the first time he actually opens it.
00:05:30
Is it a fucking bomb?
00:05:32
Speaker 6: I don't know where it's from, fucking concrete.
00:05:36
Speaker 1: It went through the Secret Service right.
00:05:37
Definitely a bomb.
00:05:42
Speaker 4: Debbie from True Crime University sent this over
00:05:44
to you as a birthday present.
00:05:46
We might have to clear this out why?
00:05:49
Speaker 1: what is it?
00:05:50
Is it a dildo?
00:05:52
Speaker 4: I don't know, you tell me.
00:05:53
Speaker 2: I'm opening it right now so you wait.
00:05:59
Speaker 1: She sent it to you.
00:06:01
Speaker 4: I will tell you the full story, after we see it,
00:06:03
about the debacle that happened when this showed up to my door.
00:06:07
Speaker 1: What the fuck is it I see?
00:06:10
Oh, I see titties.
00:06:11
Oh my God, oh my God, take it out of the plastic.
00:06:18
Oh my, is it real?
00:06:19
Speaker 4: I don't know.
00:06:20
I thought it was wet when I first opened this Is there
00:06:23
actual holes?
00:06:23
Speaker 1: I can use.
00:06:24
Hold on a minute.
00:06:26
Wait, how do you get it out of the?
00:06:28
Speaker 6: plastic.
00:06:28
He said with absolute seriousness.
00:06:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, is there holes I can use?
00:06:32
Hold on, let me get it out of the plastic.
00:06:35
All right, we're going to show this.
00:06:37
Can we get a close-up?
00:06:39
Speaker 4: You definitely can't show that on.
00:06:41
Youtube.
00:06:42
Hold on wait.
00:06:44
Speaker 1: It's got an asshole too, oh my God, hold on, hold on
00:06:47
, hold on.
00:06:48
Oh yeah, look at it, it sounds real.
00:06:51
Oh my God, oh Debbie with a winner.
00:06:54
Ooh, save too.
00:06:55
You got to blur that out.
00:07:00
It looks disgusting.
00:07:03
Oh my God, that is fucking hilarious.
00:07:05
Look, it's got the little.
00:07:08
Speaker 4: That has to stem from our episode where we just were
00:07:10
ranking Amazon.
00:07:12
They're nice, right.
00:07:13
I feel the tits, let me feel, let me squeeze, I want to
00:07:16
squeeze.
00:07:16
This is hilarious.
00:07:18
Oh, my fingertips.
00:07:20
Speaker 1: It does have a hole my fingers.
00:07:26
Speaker 4: Let me see it my finger.
00:07:27
Look, I didn't open it when, I we're definitely blurring this
00:07:33
out.
00:07:35
Speaker 1: Oh shit, it's heavy yeah dude, I think I just
00:07:38
dropped something.
00:07:39
Speaker 4: Oh, I don't even want to Dude.
00:07:40
By the time this goes home to Dave's house tonight it's going
00:07:43
to be used.
00:07:43
Speaker 1: Dude, that thing is going to be used and fucking
00:07:46
abused great job, debbie.
00:07:47
Speaker 4: By the way, too, that is hilarious here, pass it over
00:07:49
.
00:07:49
I don't know how we're gonna block this one out.
00:07:51
We're gonna keep it right here, you, my girl right there,
00:07:57
imagine doing this, all right, so the story the story of the
00:08:01
story behind this right is when I, when she found out when she
00:08:04
was asked for my address, she sent it.
00:08:07
As to Garrett Corder and my address, it wasn't criminal AF,
00:08:11
it wasn't anything like that.
00:08:12
So my wife opened it, she saw it and she was like what the
00:08:18
fuck did you order?
00:08:19
And I'm like I completely forgot.
00:08:21
I had this conversation with you know, chris from Fright
00:08:25
Flick Maricu, and I completely forgot.
00:08:28
No.
00:08:30
Speaker 1: Oh, chris, oh, I messed up, chris.
00:08:34
Speaker 4: Cheeky no, or Jay Jay .
00:08:38
Why is his name Chris?
00:08:39
On?
00:08:40
Speaker 2: We definitely have to edit that out.
00:08:41
Speaker 4: No, it is Chris.
00:08:42
Yeah his first name is Chris.
00:08:43
Yeah, okay, oh.
00:08:44
Speaker 2: I was going to talk about chicken.
00:08:46
Speaker 4: Okay so you see now I'm fucking up.
00:08:50
So Chris messaged me and said, hey, debbie wants to send
00:08:53
something.
00:08:53
I sent him my address.
00:08:54
So when it came up, kelly looked at it and was like what
00:08:57
the fuck did you order?
00:08:58
And I completely forgot I had the conversation that, oh, I'm
00:09:00
sending something for Dave's birthday.
00:09:02
Make him open it on the next episode.
00:09:04
So I'm like I didn't order anything.
00:09:06
And she's like why the fuck would you order this?
00:09:08
Like that's so weird.
00:09:11
She was generally upset about the fact that I ordered that on
00:09:14
Amazon and I was like no, I had to have been a mistake.
00:09:17
And then when I got home and she didn't even tell me what it
00:09:20
was, she was just mad.
00:09:21
I was like what the fuck did that?
00:09:28
Like what?
00:09:28
What did I order?
00:09:28
I was looking at my amazon history and everything I get
00:09:30
home I see that like, oh, that's gotta be for dave and then I
00:09:31
remembered, oh, but like legit upset of that, she thought that
00:09:33
I ordered she opened it.
00:09:36
She's like you're into this shit .
00:09:37
She opened it.
00:09:38
Yeah, she opened it dude this.
00:09:40
Speaker 1: This can't be cheap.
00:09:41
No, no, no.
00:09:41
This can't be cheap.
00:09:42
Speaker 4: No, no, no no, this can't be cheap.
00:09:44
No, it's got some weight to it for sure.
00:09:46
Speaker 1: Look, did it bounce.
00:09:47
All right, put it somewhere.
00:09:54
All right, put it in the box.
00:09:55
Put it in the box.
00:09:56
What's in?
00:09:57
Speaker 4: the box.
00:09:57
You know what's so funny?
00:09:57
He's like put it somewhere, like he's not going to get home
00:09:59
anymore.
00:10:00
Kid.
00:10:01
Speaker 1: What's in the box?
00:10:01
Okay, what's?
00:10:03
Speaker 4: in the box.
00:10:03
So, yeah, thank you, Debbie, for getting Dave that awesome
00:10:07
gift.
00:10:08
Speaker 1: That is amazing.
00:10:09
Oh my God.
00:10:09
Thank you so much, debbie.
00:10:10
That's fucking awesome.
00:10:13
Yeah, we got to figure out how we're going to put that on
00:10:15
YouTube.
00:10:15
Maybe we can.
00:10:18
Speaker 4: That can be the first .
00:10:18
Oh, get a shelf, get a shelf, we'll put them up there.
00:10:23
We'll put pasties on it, so it's safe.
00:10:25
Speaker 1: We'll put some underwear.
00:10:26
Those are some nice nipples.
00:10:27
We'll figure it out.
00:10:30
Thank you very much, debbie.
00:10:31
Good to be back.
00:10:33
Look at that, we got almost a life-size fucking midget doll.
00:10:38
Oh man, all right, all right, All right, all right, focus in.
00:10:46
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, focus we're already getting
00:10:47
distracted because you brought out tits and look at us, we're a
00:10:50
mess.
00:10:50
And it has actual holes.
00:10:52
Speaker 2: Oh God, that's so gross.
00:10:53
Speaker 1: That's so gross, all right, so I love how.
00:10:58
Speaker 4: Casey just showed up completely.
00:10:59
Yeah, no, that's not in my realm.
00:11:01
Speaker 1: He's like that's out of my wheelhouse.
00:11:03
Have fun, yeah, with that.
00:11:07
Oh, trust me, I'll send pictures, ew, I'll post them on
00:11:10
the Patreon.
00:11:11
Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys sign up for the Patreon Five dollars.
00:11:13
Dave will post it.
00:11:14
Speaker 6: Our next exclusive Patreon content yes.
00:11:17
Speaker 4: It's going to be Polaroids.
00:11:18
It's stuck.
00:11:20
We'll finally get the Polaroids that Dave promised at 100
00:11:22
subscribers.
00:11:23
Speaker 1: All right.
00:11:25
So there is a short story that I want to share real quick that
00:11:28
Holly Mo shared with us on our WhatsApp chat group.
00:11:32
So it originally came from a Reddit from Herman the Shocker.
00:11:41
I don't know if you've ever heard of him.
00:11:42
Speaker 4: No, I have not heard of him.
00:11:43
Speaker 1: He posts these wild stories or whatever.
00:11:45
Now, I searched high and wide to cross-reference this story
00:11:49
because I'm like, eh, it seems kind of a little fucking wild to
00:11:52
be an actual legit fucking story, other you know, because
00:11:58
it doesn't have really any particular information,
00:12:02
identifying information other than the city and state of where
00:12:06
it comes from.
00:12:07
Right, however, doing the digging that I do do, I did find
00:12:12
a text on archiveorg and it's froma book called sex-related
00:12:17
homicide and death investigation practical and clinical
00:12:20
perspectives.
00:12:21
All right, in this case sounds legit to me yeah, it's actual,
00:12:24
like an actual, like fucking study, I guess.
00:12:26
And this is, uh, a case that's listed in the book as case study
00:12:31
number seven.
00:12:31
So this is in fact a true story , but, as I mentioned, because
00:12:35
it's a case study, there's really no name of the, the
00:12:38
person involved, there's no name of the victim, blah, blah,
00:12:41
right.
00:12:41
Anyways, this event takes place in pontiac michigan.
00:12:44
What a name.
00:12:45
Speaker 4: Yeah, pontiac michigan the home of the I blah,
00:12:47
blah, blah blah.
00:12:47
Anyways, this event takes place in Pontiac, michigan.
00:12:49
What a name, yeah, pontiac.
00:12:49
Speaker 5: Michigan, pontiac.
00:12:50
Speaker 1: The home of the Irox, camaro and trailer parks.
00:12:52
Yeah, let's go All right.
00:12:54
In a police interview a man admitted to having gay
00:12:56
tendencies at the age of seven.
00:12:58
His first gay experience was in a state hospital at the age of
00:13:02
14, when another patient forced him to have anal sex with him oh
00:13:06
Jesus.
00:13:06
He stated that it scared him but he liked it.
00:13:09
He liked that little rimming.
00:13:11
He also stated that he had been committed to the hospital over
00:13:16
his fantasies about killing his neighbor and had begun tape
00:13:19
recording his fantasies.
00:13:22
He spent three years at the state hospital and during his
00:13:24
stay he reported that he constantly had these killing
00:13:25
fantasies.
00:13:25
He spent three years at the state hospital and during his
00:13:25
stay he reported that he constantly had these killing
00:13:27
fantasies, could not get rid of them.
00:13:28
So fast forward a little bit and the subject now has a male
00:13:32
lover whom he has been with for approximately 10 years and they
00:13:36
have a long history of domestic violence.
00:13:38
The subject claimed that he and his lover decided to meet each
00:13:43
other at a motel to carry out their long-planned
00:13:47
murder-suicide.
00:13:48
Now I'm not sure who would be?
00:13:51
willing to attend their own murder-suicide.
00:13:53
Speaker 4: Wasn't there a whole thing about a guy wanting to eat
00:13:54
somebody?
00:13:55
That was a true story too.
00:13:57
Speaker 2: That was a true story and he met up.
00:13:59
Speaker 4: One guy wanted to be eaten.
00:14:00
Speaker 2: The other guy wanted to eat somebody that was a
00:14:01
fetish thing.
00:14:01
Speaker 4: They met on FetLife or somewhere yeah.
00:14:04
Speaker 1: So I can see this completely.
00:14:05
Speaker 4: All right.
00:14:05
Speaker 1: Some crazy people out there.
00:14:06
Okay, now the subject told the police that he wanted to kill
00:14:10
his lover.
00:14:11
For all the years of his bitching about his drinking, you
00:14:14
know, shut your fucking mouth.
00:14:16
I'll drink if I want to.
00:14:17
They're just nips, yeah.
00:14:19
So what?
00:14:20
It's fucking eight in the morning.
00:14:21
He admitted that he tried to strangle him in the past, but he
00:14:25
couldn't go through with it.
00:14:25
Now, on this particular day, they both consumed a few bottles
00:14:28
of wine and had taken some drugs.
00:14:30
The subject suddenly stabbed his lover and left the knife in
00:14:33
the victim's stomach.
00:14:34
The subject then stated that he began to think of the fantasies
00:14:39
he had in the past of cutting up his lover and taking body
00:14:42
parts.
00:14:42
He would often masturbate to these fantasies and think about
00:14:46
playing with the body parts.
00:14:47
He started by sawing off his victim's penis and testicles and
00:14:52
taking them to the bathroom where he washed them.
00:14:54
He kept the penis, but he flushed the testicles down the
00:14:58
toilet because he didn't like the way they looked.
00:15:01
Speaker 3: That's so specific.
00:15:02
Speaker 1: They probably popped out of the fucking nut sack and
00:15:04
he's like, oh, these things are kind of like fucking disgusting.
00:15:09
Speaker 4: We've all seen BME Pain Olympics.
00:15:13
Speaker 7: That's a throwback to any 90s kids watching.
00:15:17
Speaker 1: He then sliced off the victim's ears and put one of
00:15:19
the ears down the victim's throat.
00:15:21
But then he changed his mind.
00:15:22
He wanted it back.
00:15:24
So he cut off the victim's head and took the ear out through
00:15:27
the fucking neck.
00:15:28
The subject then pulled out the victim's intestines and sucked
00:15:33
on them and played with them.
00:15:35
Jesus, this is getting brutal.
00:15:36
Yeah, he also sucked on the severed penis in an attempt to
00:15:41
make it hard.
00:15:41
Oh, now you kind of need blood to make a dick.
00:15:46
Speaker 4: Or you know, a living corpse, but okay.
00:15:48
I can see where he's going in his mind.
00:15:53
Speaker 1: Sucking on the intestines and sucking on a
00:15:56
detached, severed, flaccid penis .
00:15:59
You can see that Garrett.
00:16:01
Speaker 4: Alright, keep going.
00:16:02
You're the one who said you can see where it's going.
00:16:04
Speaker 1: Stop now you made it real.
00:16:05
Okay, all right.
00:16:06
All right, then the subject then cut out the victim's tongue
00:16:10
and armpit.
00:16:11
Okay, why the armpit?
00:16:13
I mean it's pretty fucking specific.
00:16:15
I don't know what do you do it?
00:16:20
Do you cut it like a fucking filet?
00:16:22
I mean, it's kind of like I'm trying to feel my arm right now.
00:16:26
You can cut a hole.
00:16:26
You can cut a hole.
00:16:27
You can cut out a hole, or you can slice it, whatever.
00:16:30
I don't know.
00:16:31
That's a weird.
00:16:32
That's interesting, yeah.
00:16:33
So the subject then took the victim's penis, ears, tongue and
00:16:37
armpit and washed them in the sink to masturbate to the body
00:16:41
parts before placing them in his pants pocket.
00:16:43
When he was arrested, he was found with the body parts still
00:16:48
in his pants.
00:16:48
Wow, he was refusing to let those things go.
00:16:52
Yeah.
00:16:53
So I just wanted to share that with you guys, because when I
00:16:55
first read it, when I first read it I was like there's no
00:16:58
fucking way.
00:16:59
This is real.
00:17:00
There's no way, but it is it's.
00:17:02
Yeah, I just wish there was like more, more details Like who
00:17:05
was it, who was the victim?
00:17:07
Speaker 4: You, know that's a very Like I look everywhere I
00:17:11
never understood the obsession with body parts, so that's
00:17:19
always a strange psyche thing that I can never get past.
00:17:21
Yeah, but with Dahmer, with the how they I like the way they
00:17:24
were shiny.
00:17:24
Yeah, yeah, what would dommer with the how they?
00:17:26
I like the way they they were shiny.
00:17:27
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, like exactly all right.
00:17:28
All right, before we jump into this fun today, uh, we're just
00:17:30
going to go over a few things regarding criminal af.
00:17:32
We're a comedic, informative, true crime ish podcast, heavy on
00:17:36
the ish.
00:17:36
Uh, meaning we'll talk about some true crime, like our main
00:17:39
story in florida man, but we'll also be talking about some
00:17:41
things not related to true crime , like mail call or whatever
00:17:44
rabbit holes our ADHD brains bring us down.
00:17:47
But whatever we talk about, we'll be having some fun while
00:17:49
we do it.
00:17:49
Now, sometimes you find that these stories are particularly
00:17:52
funny and we like to call out these idiots who think they can
00:17:57
get away with murder.
00:17:58
Or maybe it's the police force who fucks up a case.
00:18:00
Whatever, there's humor in it.
00:18:03
There's humor in it.
00:18:03
Of course, if this is your first time joining us, you're
00:18:07
about to experience two guys who have zero filter and fucking
00:18:10
swear a lot.
00:18:11
And, with that being said, we do discuss some pretty horrific
00:18:14
and tragic stories that involve murder, rape, torture.
00:18:20
Okay, okay, and we will not shy away from the most gruesome of
00:18:24
details, regardless of how disgusting they may be, like
00:18:28
sucking on intestines.
00:18:29
Speaker 4: Yeah, or keeping an armpit in your pocket, yeah.
00:18:34
Speaker 1: I wonder if you bring that to a department store to
00:18:36
sample the fucking deodorants.
00:18:38
Speaker 4: I can see it being like a salmon, like a filet of
00:18:40
salmon.
00:18:41
Yeah we could do that too.
00:18:42
Probably be the same texture too.
00:18:44
Speaker 1: Now we understand that Criminal AF is not for
00:18:46
everyone, and that's okay.
00:18:47
We just ask that you at least give it a listen.
00:18:49
If it's not for you, hey, thanks for checking it out.
00:18:52
See ya, but if it is, welcome to the debauchery, now head on
00:19:04
over to criminalasfuckcom for all of your criminal AF needs.
00:19:05
If you're at work and you can't write the word fuck, you can go
00:19:09
to CriminalAFPodcastcom or CriminalAFllc.
00:19:11
They'll take you to the same place, but it's just cooler to
00:19:14
say fuck.
00:19:15
Yeah, for sure, that's how we roll.
00:19:16
Anyway, you can check out all of our episodes, videos, reviews
00:19:21
, send us messages for mail, call and dear deuce bags, as
00:19:23
well as join our Patreon for as little as $2 a month for general
00:19:26
support.
00:19:27
Or you can be paid $5 a month and you can get all the awesome
00:19:30
historic videos that I just fucking posted and you can also
00:19:33
get Dave heavy breathing around Gettysburg and this is where the
00:19:37
first battle happened.
00:19:39
This is the bloody lane.
00:19:40
I did a lot of fucking walking.
00:19:42
Speaker 3: I know, it was just funny.
00:19:44
Speaker 4: You're the one who pointed it out.
00:19:44
I didn't even notice Once you pointed it out.
00:19:46
That's all I could hear.
00:19:47
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of breathing and mouth clicking.
00:19:49
That makes a great video, all right.
00:19:51
And now, while you're there visiting Criminal AF, go check
00:19:55
out our merch.
00:19:56
Go get your merch.
00:19:58
Yes, oh yes, we're adding new styles and designs all the time,
00:20:03
so jump into that rabbit hole and peep some of our stuff.
00:20:06
You can also visit our friends over at
00:20:11
WelcomeToTheDebaucherycom, where you can find ourselves Fright
00:20:12
Flick, fmk and True Crime University.
00:20:13
Finally, if there is one thing that we ask of you, is that you
00:20:16
go to Apple Podcasts, spotify, good Pods, and leave us a
00:20:19
five-star rating, a positive review, and click the share
00:20:22
button.
00:20:22
It costs you absolutely nothing to do.
00:20:32
Speaker 6: It'll help us immensely in spreading the word
00:20:33
that criminal AF is the number one true crime podcast in the
00:20:35
world.
00:20:35
Speaker 4: That's a true statement.
00:20:35
It is a true statement.
00:20:38
Speaker 2: Yep, criminal AF.
00:20:40
We'll be back after this quick break.
00:20:42
Speaker 3: Do you like scary movies?
00:20:44
If your answer is yes, then you need to check out my show,
00:20:47
Fright Flick FMK.
00:20:48
My name is Jay and, along with my co-host, Gentleman Jack, I
00:20:53
watch and discuss horror movies and tell you what I think about
00:20:55
them.
00:20:55
New or old, mainstream or underground, no horror flick is
00:20:59
safe from my warped opinion.
00:21:01
So go check out Fright Flick FMK now.
00:21:03
We are on all major podcast platforms and YouTube Also.
00:21:07
Be sure to follow the show on all major social media sites.
00:21:10
But be warned, we are not your mama's podcast, and this promo
00:21:14
will be the longest amount of time you'll hear me talk without
00:21:17
swearing or cracking an offensive joke.
00:21:19
Now go grab your favorite drink , pull up a chair and give us a
00:21:23
listen.
00:21:24
Speaker 2: Now back to Criminal AF Mail call, mail call.
00:21:29
Speaker 4: Oh, it's so nice having a producer, it is.
00:21:32
It's so nice, god.
00:21:34
Speaker 6: No buttons to push Makes me feel like we're like If
00:21:36
the audience knew what we just went through.
00:21:37
I don't know, wait, no, no, no, no, no, no.
00:21:40
Speaker 4: Listen.
00:21:40
This is a High functioning, high budget podcast.
00:21:44
Absolutely.
00:21:44
We didn't just spend Eight hours trying to Figure out a
00:21:47
fucking audio For no reason, because we still Can't figure
00:21:50
out why.
00:21:50
Speaker 1: We got together at 4.30pm and it's now 9pm 9pm but
00:21:54
they don't need To know that.
00:21:55
Speaker 4: Nope, nope.
00:21:56
All they know is we have people Behind the scenes, are running
00:21:59
around like mice behind us right now Somebody's making me a
00:22:03
steak and asparagus with garlic mash right now.
00:22:06
Speaker 6: Yeah, it certainly looks like a professional studio
00:22:08
in there.
00:22:09
Speaker 1: All right you going to share some of that, because I
00:22:11
got nobody making me that.
00:22:12
Well, what?
00:22:16
Nothing, okay, all right, it's time for mail call, where you
00:22:20
send in your questions and we answer them honestly and
00:22:23
truthfully.
00:22:23
No secrets allowed Could be anything you want to ask.
00:22:26
Of course, you know there's the true crime questions.
00:22:28
But also, you know, is there anything you want to know about
00:22:32
us?
00:22:32
You know Casey's joining us now .
00:22:34
Speaker 4: You can ask Casey some questions too.
00:22:35
Send them on in.
00:22:36
Break the ice, some icebreakers for Casey Moore, for Casey
00:22:39
Moore, yep.
00:22:39
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, I don't know if you want your last name
00:22:41
out there.
00:22:42
Speaker 5: My bad For Casey, sorry.
00:22:45
Speaker 4: Icebreakers for.
00:22:45
Speaker 1: Casey yeah, icebreakers for Casey.
00:22:47
All right, you know, if you want to know our deepest,
00:22:50
darkest secrets, you know some of our hopes and dreams.
00:22:53
Do you like penis in our porn or no penis, oh penis.
00:22:57
Speaker 4: Got it.
00:22:58
It's got a penis.
00:22:58
I don't know what you fucking seven, yeah, throwback Callback.
00:23:04
Speaker 1: What's in the box.
00:23:05
Nothing is off limits Now.
00:23:06
For time purposes, we can only do three or four, so if you
00:23:09
don't hear yours in this episode , it will be coming up, I
00:23:11
promise.
00:23:12
First up we have our good friend Lucy.
00:23:15
Speaker 6: Lucy.
00:23:17
Speaker 1: And she asks would you rather be snowed in or
00:23:21
stranded on a tropical island?
00:23:23
My question is do we have volleyball on a tropical island?
00:23:26
Is there a volleyball?
00:23:28
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter, nobody wants to be.
00:23:29
I've seen Castaway.
00:23:31
Speaker 1: I'm good, it would be lonely.
00:23:33
It would be lonely without Wilson.
00:23:35
Speaker 4: You could also say oh , do I have a fire Stranded,
00:23:37
snowed in?
00:23:38
You know what I mean.
00:23:39
If I have power, I'm fine.
00:23:40
I'm fine, I'm going to take snowed in.
00:23:42
Speaker 1: Wait, you're taking snowed in.
00:23:43
Speaker 4: Yes, I'm taking snowed in For sure.
00:23:47
Well, let's make some parameters here.
00:23:49
Okay, say we don't have power, we're stranded in a car For
00:23:56
snowed in.
00:23:59
Speaker 1: No heat.
00:23:59
Stranded in a car, snowed in Help is weeks away.
00:24:03
Speaker 4: Yes, we don't, we well, you don't know.
00:24:05
All right, the plow could come in an hour, it could come in two
00:24:08
weeks, or you're stranded on a desert, on a deserted island.
00:24:13
It's tropical, though I'm changing my mind at that point
00:24:16
it's pineapples and coconuts.
00:24:18
I have a chance to live.
00:24:19
Yeah, I'm a chance to live.
00:24:24
Yeah, I'm 100% sure.
00:24:25
Speaker 1: But then you know, the worst part is if that
00:24:26
snowplow came Like five minutes after you left and now you're
00:24:29
stuck on a tropical island for the next three years.
00:24:31
Speaker 4: But for a long period of time.
00:24:33
Yeah, I'm probably going to go to a tropical island, Absolutely
00:24:35
.
00:24:37
Speaker 1: Like I said, I've watched Castaway.
00:24:38
I can survive.
00:24:39
Speaker 4: To me, there's no fucking question.
00:24:40
I've watched Castaway, I can survive.
00:24:42
To me, there's no fucking question.
00:24:43
Yep, you'll go crazy before you would die.
00:24:44
You're still wasting your food.
00:24:48
Speaker 6: What about you, casey ?
00:24:50
I can't stand the cold, so I'm almost certainly going to take
00:24:55
the tropical island.
00:24:56
There's fish, hopefully, in the ocean that you can live off of,
00:24:58
or crabs.
00:24:58
Speaker 1: The only question is is there going to be water to
00:25:02
drink?
00:25:03
Speaker 6: Yeah, so that's true.
00:25:06
Speaker 4: When you get thirsty, too, you can drink coconut milk
00:25:09
.
00:25:09
You could easily just melt some snow.
00:25:11
Speaker 6: It's hard to get it out of coconut milk.
00:25:12
Speaker 1: You don't have any fire.
00:25:13
You just hold it in your hand and lick your fucking fingers.
00:25:17
Speaker 4: Just compress it.
00:25:18
I don't know.
00:25:19
I'm not a survivalist.
00:25:21
Come on, we're all going to die in any of these situations
00:25:24
anyway, what does it matter?
00:25:27
We're not Bear Gryllis, guys, come on.
00:25:29
Speaker 6: Yeah, where did your car get stranded?
00:25:31
Because there's a good chance you could just get rescued In
00:25:33
the backwoods of Maine.
00:25:35
Speaker 1: That's very true In the backwoods of Maine.
00:25:37
Speaker 6: Now I'm starting to think thing where the roads
00:25:38
don't get maybe stranded, maybe.
00:25:39
Speaker 4: Yeah, see where this is.
00:25:40
We're gonna go back and forth.
00:25:41
You know like we're gonna come up with a better thing in new
00:25:43
hampshire.
00:25:43
Speaker 1: They shut down the kangamangus highway kangamangus,
00:25:46
you made that up no, it's called the kangamangus, the
00:25:48
kangamangus, that's made up that's made up no, because they
00:25:51
don't plow it in the winter, so they shut it down like the road
00:25:54
is just shut down, but but what so?
00:25:56
Speaker 4: you would get stuck where does kangamangus Highway?
00:25:59
Speaker 1: You've ever been up there.
00:26:00
I go there every weekend To the .
00:26:02
Speaker 7: Kangamangus Highway.
00:26:04
Speaker 4: Look it up, google it .
00:26:05
I'm sure it's real.
00:26:06
Speaker 6: Kangamangus Highway.
00:26:07
I'm fucking with you.
00:26:09
Speaker 1: Anyways, yeah, they shut it down every winter.
00:26:10
They don't even plow it.
00:26:11
I don't care, I'd rather die on the island.
00:26:14
Speaker 4: I'm going island because I'd rather die on the
00:26:17
beach in a tropical setting, in a tropical setting.
00:26:19
Yeah, they're frozen in my car.
00:26:20
I don't care if it's Block Island, I'm fucking sorry.
00:26:25
Speaker 1: Sail away on the Block Island ferry.
00:26:28
All right, All right, that was pretty good actually, Thank you.
00:26:31
Thank you very much, Lucy.
00:26:32
That was actually a thought-provoking question.
00:26:35
Yes, Next up we have Jay from Fright Flick FMK and he wants to
00:26:38
know how do you place the toilet paper on the TP holder?
00:26:41
Do you unroll it from the top or from the underneath?
00:26:46
There's only one answer.
00:26:47
Speaker 4: There's only one correct answer.
00:26:48
Yeah, I'm hoping we're on the same page, because I'm not
00:26:51
pretty sure.
00:26:51
I don't think we actually are.
00:26:53
Speaker 6: But if you look at the patent on the toilet paper
00:26:57
roll, it's over the top.
00:26:58
Yeah, I prefer it the other way .
00:27:03
Speaker 4: Underneath you like it underneath?
00:27:04
Speaker 6: Yeah, really that's crazy, over the top.
00:27:06
Speaker 4: You're a psychopath Over the top and you just pull
00:27:10
underneath.
00:27:10
No, over the top, over the top.
00:27:13
Speaker 1: Yeah, it creates more friction when you have to rip
00:27:16
it off, whereas if you do it under the bottom, it's like you
00:27:19
got it goes.
00:27:20
Speaker 4: That's when you pull it, and then the whole bottom
00:27:22
comes out.
00:27:22
Yeah.
00:27:22
I get what you're saying, though I could see why under the
00:27:28
top would be.
00:27:29
Speaker 6: No, no, I don't, it's just.
00:27:31
To me it's like aesthetically pleasing because it's just I
00:27:34
don't know.
00:27:34
I just feel like it's dangling from the back.
00:27:37
Speaker 1: Yeah, you don't see it rather than tucked nicely
00:27:39
folded, Rather than tucked nicely folded.
00:27:40
Speaker 4: I don't know, I see what he's saying.
00:27:41
Aesthetically it works, but I don't know.
00:27:43
It's just a normal.
00:27:44
Speaker 6: No, over the top, over the top.
00:27:46
That's what we're going with, I guess.
00:27:50
Speaker 1: I'm over the top.
00:27:50
Yeah, you're over the top, all right.
00:27:58
Speaker 6: Thank you very much.
00:27:59
Speaker 1: Jay, that was I up.
00:28:00
We have Debbie from True Crime University, and does this have
00:28:05
anything to do with rubber fuck dolls?
00:28:06
Speaker 4: I was going to say the two guys that were behind
00:28:09
the fucking miniature sex doll, the rubber fuck balls.
00:28:14
Speaker 1: All right, do you guys like amusement parks and if
00:28:17
so, which one is your favorite?
00:28:20
Speaker 4: Oh.
00:28:20
Speaker 1: I like that question.
00:28:21
I love amusement parks.
00:28:22
I know what my favorite is.
00:28:24
Go ahead, share with the class.
00:28:26
Tampa Bush Gardens.
00:28:28
Speaker 4: You've said this before.
00:28:29
Yeah, I've heard you talk about this place.
00:28:30
Speaker 1: It's got the cheetah, I've heard you talk about this
00:28:32
place Meow.
00:28:34
Speaker 4: Meow, tampa.
00:28:36
I need to go there.
00:28:37
Eventually, I have to say Universal Universal there.
00:28:45
Eventually, I I have to say universal universal.
00:28:47
Yeah, orlando, yep, I'm going.
00:28:48
Universal adventure, it's not hollywood studios.
00:28:50
Speaker 6: Okay, velocicoaster is so good, there's so many good
00:28:52
rides there yeah, I don't know if I've gone to enough amusement
00:28:56
parks, but magic kingdom the teacups is.
00:29:01
Speaker 4: So listen do not sleep on Magic Kingdom.
00:29:04
That is still the best day.
00:29:05
Splash Mountain Coming from someone who's not recently.
00:29:09
Speaker 1: No, it's Tiana's.
00:29:11
It's still the same concept, it's just something different.
00:29:14
Speaker 4: It's like updated new animatronics lighting
00:29:17
everything.
00:29:17
Speaker 5: It's.
00:29:18
Speaker 4: Tiana's Bayou Adventure.
00:29:21
Speaker 6: It was.
00:29:21
The other one was deemed what racist or something.
00:29:24
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there was a couple.
00:29:25
Yeah, there was a couple outdated or sensitive things in
00:29:28
the Like what I don't know who knows we're not going to get.
00:29:32
Speaker 6: We're not going to get.
00:29:32
We're not going to Ask Bob Iger .
00:29:34
Yeah.
00:29:40
Speaker 1: I think that's more of oh, that pelican is fucking
00:29:41
offensive.
00:29:42
It's looking at me fucking weird.
00:29:45
Speaker 4: But I heard the updated ride is really good
00:29:47
though.
00:29:47
They have Mickey's Runaway Railroad.
00:29:50
Have you ever heard about that?
00:29:52
Speaker 1: That's the new one, the train one.
00:29:54
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's really good, but they're using
00:29:58
animatronics and lights that shine on them.
00:30:02
It's really cool, interesting.
00:30:04
Speaker 6: I will say the Everest ride at Animal Kingdom
00:30:07
is pretty awesome.
00:30:08
Speaker 5: Everest is awesome.
00:30:09
Speaker 6: No, if we're talking, just not Disney, because it's
00:30:14
not, it's for children, no, well , you know, I'm going to Epcot,
00:30:20
I still I fucks with Disney Disney's still a great trip.
00:30:23
Speaker 4: I mean it's not as weird as.
00:30:25
Disney adults.
00:30:25
Disney adults are weird.
00:30:26
Like I have kids so I get to say that, but you know they're
00:30:29
like the 40-year-old people that go.
00:30:32
It's different, though You're still.
00:30:35
I'm talking about like 45-year-old women who, like,
00:30:38
have Disney stickers on their car, that wear the matching ears
00:30:42
and like it's Disney's their whole life.
00:30:44
They're like oh, did you know that the color green is peekaboo
00:30:48
green?
00:30:48
They're telling you facts like oh, maybe we can go, I just
00:30:53
Disney.
00:30:53
Adults are the worst.
00:30:54
I don't care what anyone says.
00:30:57
Speaker 6: They're the worst.
00:30:57
Yeah, I think Six Flags sucks.
00:31:00
Speaker 4: I'm not a big Six Flags fan, no Superman's a great
00:31:02
ride.
00:31:03
Speaker 6: It's not my thing.
00:31:03
Speaker 5: Superman is a great ride.
00:31:05
Speaker 6: I would probably go with Universal, yeah, so.
00:31:09
Speaker 4: Islands of Adventure.
00:31:09
Speaker 6: Islands of Adventure it's got a little bit of
00:31:11
everything.
00:31:12
Yeah, you know.
00:31:13
Speaker 4: Hulk is fantastic.
00:31:15
Speaker 1: I like the rides at the Norwich Fair.
00:31:18
Speaker 6: It's been the Norwich Community Fair the carnival
00:31:20
rides that you go on.
00:31:22
Speaker 4: That are there's a half drunk dude fucking behind
00:31:26
there like they put up an entire ferris wheel he's tall enough,
00:31:29
let him on no, I'm going with Tampa Bush.
00:31:33
Gardens, tampa Bush Gardens and I think we're both on the same
00:31:36
page Islands of Adventure.
00:31:38
Didn't they get rid of Jaws?
00:31:41
Where was?
00:31:42
Speaker 6: the Jaws ride.
00:31:43
That was the studio Studios right and then.
00:31:47
Speaker 4: Earthquake.
00:31:47
Remember Earthquake screwed the shit out of me.
00:31:50
Earthquake one was good too, I'm telling you Universal.
00:31:56
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I don't like Universal.
00:31:58
Speaker 6: It's got a little bit of everything.
00:31:59
Speaker 1: Universal does not have a cheater.
00:32:02
Speaker 6: I do wish we were sponsored by them.
00:32:03
You guys should take your family to Universal.
00:32:05
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes and send us a check when you do.
00:32:10
Speaker 1: Universal alright thank you so much, debbie, for
00:32:14
your question.
00:32:14
If you guys have questions to send in to us, just let us know.
00:32:18
Send it in.
00:32:18
Go to criminalasfuckcom or criminalafllc and click on the
00:32:23
mail call tab.
00:32:24
What in the?
00:32:26
Speaker 5: fuck is going on in florida let's go to florida good
00:32:42
, go ahead.
00:32:45
Speaker 4: St Petersburg, florida, some of the best cops
00:32:48
episodes ever.
00:32:49
Speaker 6: St Petersburg yeah, During a drunken outburst.
00:32:52
Speaker 4: Friday evening a man threw gator nuggets into a
00:32:56
Florida restaurant and then proceeded to sexually molest a
00:32:58
manatee.
00:32:58
Mannequin Say that five times fast Manatee mannequin In front
00:33:03
of staff and patrons of the establishment.
00:33:05
According to the smoking gun, Investigators say Anthony
00:33:12
Michael Lessa, 23, was intoxicated when he caused a
00:33:16
disturbance at Rick's Reef.
00:33:18
Welcome to Rick's Reef, a seafood joint in St Petersburg.
00:33:21
Welcome to Rex Rave, a seafood joint in St Petersburg.
00:33:23
Lessa cops say was throwing gator nuggets found in his right
00:33:25
pants pocket upon arrest into the restaurant.
00:33:29
What are gator?
00:33:30
Oh, what are gator nuggets?
00:33:33
They're exactly like chicken nuggets, but with alligator meat
00:33:36
.
00:33:36
Have you never had alligator?
00:33:37
I've had alligator.
00:33:39
Oh, dude, alligator's great.
00:33:40
I've never had gator nuggets.
00:33:41
It's like the consistency of chicken or the consistency of
00:33:45
calamari, but it tastes like chicken.
00:33:47
Speaker 1: That's the best way to explain it I've had gator
00:33:51
jerky.
00:33:52
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm talking about like a fresh tail,
00:33:54
or nuggets in that instance.
00:33:57
Speaker 5: Gator nuggets.
00:33:57
Speaker 4: When employees confronted Lessa about flinging
00:34:01
the nuggets, he became belligerent and advanced on the
00:34:03
life-size mannequin Manatee.
00:34:05
Show the mannequin Casey what does the mannequin look like.
00:34:13
Speaker 1: Oh, look at him.
00:34:15
Speaker 4: He's just minding his own business Of onlookers.
00:34:18
Lessa then went on to sexually molest the mannequin which had
00:34:23
been known to wear a t-shirt promoting their scrumptious
00:34:29
tacos.
00:34:30
After running from the eatery, lessa cop's charge caused a
00:34:36
disturbance at a nearby hotel, where he yelled and cursed at
00:34:38
the front desk worker and stood in the parking lot yelling
00:34:41
obscenities.
00:34:41
I wanna fuck humanity.
00:34:43
When police arrived at the scene, lessa exhibited multiple
00:34:47
signs of intoxication and kept asking why he was being arrested
00:34:50
.
00:34:50
I don't know, dude, because you raped a manatee through gator
00:34:54
nuggets at people.
00:34:56
Speaker 6: Do you?
00:34:57
Speaker 4: have the police report.
00:34:58
Speaker 6: I do.
00:34:58
I'm actually curious yeah.
00:35:02
Speaker 1: Is that the charging document?
00:35:04
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was charged with disorderly intoxication
00:35:07
disturbance.
00:35:07
Lessa was booked into jail on the misdemeanor count.
00:35:12
He was released from custody on Saturday morning.
00:35:15
According to LinkedIn page, lessa is a student pilot who is
00:35:18
attending a flight school in Ponte Verde.
00:35:21
Pilot who's attending a flight school in ponte verde.
00:35:25
Lesa, who attended west virginia university, gave his
00:35:26
home address as his family's pittsburgh, pennsylvania
00:35:28
residence.
00:35:28
Oh, interesting, interesting.
00:35:31
Now we always joke about like oh, that's the most florida
00:35:36
thing ever but yeah this.
00:35:38
This is up there because it's got gator tail, g, gator nuggets
00:35:42
.
00:35:42
Speaker 1: Gator nuggets.
00:35:44
Speaker 4: It's a Florida Napoleon Dynamite.
00:35:45
He's keeping gator nuggets in his pockets.
00:35:49
Speaker 1: Anybody want a nugget ?
00:35:50
Speaker 4: You got any.
00:35:51
Tots Gator tots and a manatee.
00:35:54
What's more Florida than manatees?
00:35:55
Speaker 1: Who gets sexually assaulted?
00:35:57
Speaker 4: And then being belligerently drunk in public.
00:35:59
Speaker 1: It's just got all the good things.
00:36:01
It's got one two belligerently drunk in public.
00:36:02
It's just got all the good things.
00:36:01
It's got one, two yeah.
00:36:03
Speaker 4: It's got all the good things.
00:36:03
Nobody got hurt either.
00:36:06
Speaker 6: So it's like you know , Except for the manatee, poor
00:36:08
thing, Everybody should go down to a float over to Cryer.
00:36:11
Oh dude, that's my.
00:36:15
Speaker 4: Where is this?
00:36:15
St Petersburg.
00:36:16
I feel like I can move there.
00:36:17
Speaker 1: I wonder if that manatee's still sitting outside.
00:36:20
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, Now it's going to be a staple.
00:36:21
Speaker 6: Yeah.
00:36:22
Speaker 4: Yeah.
00:36:23
Speaker 6: People are going to go up to it taking pictures.
00:36:25
They're not even going to know what happened to it, right, you
00:36:27
know, poor thing.
00:36:29
Speaker 2: Yep, he's going to have fucking flashbacks,
00:36:36
criminal.
00:36:36
Speaker 5: AF.
00:36:36
We'll be back after this quick break.
00:36:37
So you like to listen to people talk about crime, but did you
00:36:41
ever wonder why criminals do the things they do, like what makes
00:36:45
them tick?
00:36:46
My name is Debbie and I'm the professor at True Crime
00:36:49
University.
00:36:50
Join me in the classroom Thursdays, wherever you get your
00:36:58
podcasts for intellectual discussions about crime,
00:36:59
psychology and why criminals do what they do.
00:37:01
See you there.
00:37:04
Speaker 2: Now back to Criminal AF.
00:37:08
Speaker 1: All right, that was kind of fucked up.
00:37:09
All right, we're going to jump right into this story about two
00:37:11
handymen who went missing from a 20-acre farm in Weimer, Oregon,
00:37:15
one in 2012 and the other in 2013.
00:37:18
In 2014, detectives following up on an identity fraud case
00:37:23
made a horrific discovery.
00:37:25
Garrett Now, I'm just going to put this out there.
00:37:27
We're going to tell this story as it's told through the media
00:37:30
outlets, through court documents and police records, just like
00:37:34
we do with any other story.
00:37:35
I'm just going to leave it at that.
00:37:38
Okay, Some foreshadowing here Some foreshadowing Put your
00:37:45
earbuds in, in pour yourself a favorite drink.
00:37:46
Yep, there you go and tell your kids that summer vacation is to
00:37:52
be spent outside.
00:37:53
So get the fuck out of the house, because time to fuck this
00:37:57
episode in the mouth.
00:37:58
What do you say?
00:37:58
Ready for this?
00:37:59
Let's, let's go, let's do it.
00:38:00
Alright Now?
00:38:02
This story begins on July 8th 1948, when Susan Monica was born
00:38:07
as Stephen Buchanan in San Francisco, california.
00:38:13
Speaker 4: What a great way to start the story, alright.
00:38:16
Speaker 1: Little is known about her life growing up, but we
00:38:19
know she had a brother and a sister.
00:38:21
She explained during her police interview that her sister had
00:38:25
down syndrome and her mother couldn't handle having a child
00:38:28
with a disability, so her sister was placed in a foster home in
00:38:30
santa rosa.
00:38:31
What a pussy.
00:38:32
Yep, especially downs like come on, I know like that like it's
00:38:38
not really a thing, you know.
00:38:39
I mean it's not like, I mean whatever.
00:38:40
Yeah, there's a lot.
00:38:43
Speaker 4: There's a lot worse it could be harder.
00:38:44
Speaker 7: It could be harder.
00:38:45
Speaker 1: All right Now.
00:38:46
Susan said that she had been told that her sister had died
00:38:49
and she was estranged from her brother.
00:38:51
She said that the last time she had heard he was living in
00:38:54
South Dakota.
00:38:55
What this says to me is that Susan Monica did not have a
00:38:59
healthy childhood growing up.
00:39:01
Probably that Susan Monica did not have a healthy childhood
00:39:05
growing up?
00:39:05
Probably not.
00:39:05
She did not form any familial bonds with her siblings or
00:39:06
parents and was possibly physically and emotionally
00:39:07
abused in her childhood.
00:39:07
Speaker 4: I mean to be fair.
00:39:08
Has any story that took place in the 40s or 50s that we've
00:39:11
told on this podcast?
00:39:12
Nobody had a good childhood back then.
00:39:14
Yeah, it was rough, I feel like everybody had a bad childhood
00:39:18
in the 40s.
00:39:20
Speaker 1: Why aren't you in bed at 7 pm?
00:39:22
Whack.
00:39:24
Speaker 4: Where's?
00:39:24
Speaker 1: my drink, shh.
00:39:26
Your father just came home from work.
00:39:27
Sit down, nobody talk, everybody be quiet.
00:39:29
Imagine All right.
00:39:31
So now, but you know this is all speculation, I'm just
00:39:34
throwing this out there, you know, and, as we've said, there
00:39:36
wasn't much information of her upbringing.
00:39:38
But this speculation is consistent to, as we said, other
00:39:42
cases that we've covered.
00:39:43
Now Susan, still known as Stephen Buchanan, at the time
00:39:48
enlisted in the United States Navy during the Vietnam War.
00:39:51
Speaker 4: Uh-oh, another Vietnam, another Vietnam vet.
00:39:53
We got a history here.
00:39:54
Speaker 1: She was honorably discharged from the Navy after
00:39:57
completing her service and shortly thereafter Susan Monica
00:40:00
began living her life as a woman .
00:40:01
She worked her way to becoming a very successful engineering
00:40:05
career.
00:40:06
Uh, before buying the 20 acre farm in weimer, oregon in 1991
00:40:12
hey, my birth year?
00:40:12
Yep, where your birth year shut the fuck up.
00:40:17
Uh, where she raised pigs, chickens and ran her wrought
00:40:21
iron fence and gate business called White Queen Construction.
00:40:24
That's so funny.
00:40:26
Speaker 4: Garrett, why are you laughing?
00:40:27
Nothing, it's just the fact that White Queen Construction is
00:40:32
just funny to me because, knowing his pet or her pet, yeah
00:40:36
, you know what I'm trying to say yeah, yeah, yeah, sorry, go
00:40:38
ahead.
00:40:38
Speaker 6: Would you hire somebody from White Queen
00:40:40
Construction If you needed your living room painted or an
00:40:45
addition.
00:40:45
Speaker 4: No, if I needed an iron fence or a gate.
00:40:48
Speaker 1: Or some chicken eggs.
00:40:49
If I need some eggs or some bacon, I'd probably call White
00:40:53
Queen.
00:40:54
Speaker 5: Farms.
00:40:56
Speaker 1: When Susan first bought her property, it was
00:40:59
totally undeveloped, so it was all full of trees, nothing
00:41:01
really going on.
00:41:02
Her property.
00:41:02
It was totally undeveloped, so it was all full of trees,
00:41:05
nothing really going on.
00:41:06
It didn't take her long to build a large barn on the
00:41:09
property for her farm animals to live in.
00:41:11
By mid-2013, she started work on building a house.
00:41:16
Susan had placed an ad online looking for a handyman to help
00:41:18
in the construction of the home.
00:41:18
A 56-year-old man named Robert Haney had answered the ad that
00:41:21
Susan had put out to hire.
00:41:23
Now, to Robert, susan, monica seemed like a legitimate
00:41:26
employer and he had been looking for an excuse to live a simple
00:41:29
life.
00:41:30
He was doing various other jobs , including carpentry, manual
00:41:33
labor, repairs, etc.
00:41:34
Basically, he did whatever she asked for.
00:41:38
Now he and his dog.
00:41:41
They lived in a small trailer on the property and, according
00:41:44
to Robert Haney's son, jesse, robert and Susan had a deal
00:41:48
where he would get to stay on the property and be paid cash
00:41:51
and help Susan build the house from the ground up Apparently he
00:41:54
was a great builder, you know very good with his hands.
00:42:00
Now, by December 2013, robert Haney's family realized that
00:42:04
they hadn't heard from him in well over two months.
00:42:07
Well, you know, I've been trying to get a hold of my
00:42:09
father.
00:42:10
What the hell is he.
00:42:12
Speaker 4: He's living in a trailer on somebody's farm.
00:42:13
Speaker 1: Now, obviously, this was concerning and ended up
00:42:18
prompting a visit to Susan's farm.
00:42:20
When they arrived on January 1st 2014, susan had told him
00:42:24
that Robert had just basically left and he had asked Susan to
00:42:28
look after the dog and gave her some cash.
00:42:31
He's like you know what.
00:42:32
Maybe this farm life isn't for me.
00:42:34
Keep my dog.
00:42:35
Here's some cash.
00:42:36
I'm out of here.
00:42:37
All right, that's a couple red flags right there.
00:42:40
Yeah, and she assumed it was because he had been upset upset
00:42:43
over learning about a close family member's assault.
00:42:46
Apparently.
00:42:47
This put him into quite a spiral mentally and his drinking
00:42:50
got quite heavy and he was extremely upset.
00:42:52
So he was up and left.
00:42:54
Now at this point Monica had asked Robert's children to get
00:42:57
his stuff out of the trailer that was on the property.
00:42:59
He doesn't work for me anymore, get his shit out of here, fuck
00:43:04
him.
00:43:04
Now, as they went through the trailer they could see almost
00:43:05
immediately that things were not right.
00:43:07
Things were not seen.
00:43:09
You know it wasn't as fucked up of a trailer.
00:43:13
Living, you know, on a farm, you know where you would think
00:43:18
like a trailer would be all fucked up.
00:43:20
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm thinking like a run down
00:43:23
Winnebago.
00:43:23
Right yeah, up on blocks, no tires, yep Kind of thing,
00:43:28
overgrown bushes and a car without a motor.
00:43:31
Speaker 1: You know, typical Florida mansion.
00:43:33
Yeah, the dog chain bolted right to the fucking side of the
00:43:35
trailer.
00:43:36
Yeah, all right, there's some really big red flags for them
00:43:39
with regards to all of Robert's tools.
00:43:41
They were still there, strewn all over.
00:43:44
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're going to leave the dog, but you're going
00:43:46
to knock it, you're going to take the tools Right.
00:43:48
Speaker 1: Yeah, fuck, nevermind .
00:43:49
Uh, they had explained that there's no way their dad would
00:43:53
leave without his tools.
00:43:54
Yeah Right, it was like an extension of him.
00:43:57
Yeah yeah, he would take very good care of these tools.
00:44:00
They were like his livelihood.
00:44:02
Fuck the dog, I'm keeping the tools, I'm keeping the tools,
00:44:06
all right.
00:44:08
So they also saw his favorite leather jacket.
00:44:10
Everybody's got a favorite leather jacket In case you got
00:44:14
one right Favorite leather jacket Sure.
00:44:17
Speaker 4: I mean in Oregon maybe, yeah, in your trailer, in
00:44:20
your backyard, in my trailer.
00:44:22
Speaker 1: Hanging right off the tape.
00:44:23
Yeah, all right.
00:44:24
It was at this point that they decided to talk to the Jackson
00:44:30
County Sheriff's Office to report their dad missing.
00:44:31
Soon they learned that it had actually been months since
00:44:34
anyone had seen Robert Haney, and since he paid for everything
00:44:38
in cash, it was extremely difficult to tell where he had
00:44:40
gone and what he was doing.
00:44:41
Speaker 4: That everything in cash.
00:44:42
It was extremely difficult to tell where he had gone and what
00:44:44
he was doing.
00:44:44
That's pretty hard to do in 2013.
00:44:45
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is Be off the grid like that.
00:44:47
Yeah, now, of course, the sheriff's office asked whether
00:44:49
or not Robert had any bank cards or credit cards, which he did
00:44:52
not, but he did have an Oregon Trail electronic benefits
00:44:56
transfer card that he used to collect his benefits.
00:45:00
Speaker 4: You know, social Security whatever they call it,
00:45:02
the Oregon electronic benefits transfer card.
00:45:07
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh, that's funny.
00:45:09
Speaker 1: Join the dysentery credit union.
00:45:11
I was going to say, like what it's right down the road from
00:45:15
the Donner Party fucking buffet.
00:45:16
It was found that you died for dysentery.
00:45:21
Speaker 5: You can't collect your benefits anymore.
00:45:23
Sorry, go ahead All right.
00:45:28
Speaker 1: It was found that his electronic benefit transfer
00:45:31
card was used in December of 2013 at a nearby Walmart, months
00:45:35
after he allegedly left Susan Monica's property.
00:45:38
Monica's property.
00:45:47
Speaker 4: Now the electronic benefit transfer card.
00:45:48
Speaker 1: Just kind of explain it is electronic, you have to
00:45:49
say it right, it's the oregon trail, the oregon trail the
00:45:52
oregon trail electronic benefit transfer card is an electronic
00:45:55
system that allows state welfare department to issue benefits of
00:45:59
via magnetically encoded payment card which can be used
00:46:08
wherever in the United States.
00:46:09
Speaker 4: Gotcha.
00:46:09
Speaker 1: If that made sense.
00:46:10
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm with you, sounds sophisticated.
00:46:12
Speaker 1: Yeah, I can't read my own writing.
00:46:13
Alright.
00:46:14
So it was at this point that detectives took a drive out to
00:46:16
Susan Monica's property to ask her about Robert's disappearance
00:46:20
.
00:46:20
They said when they arrived there was something out of the
00:46:25
Twilight Zone.
00:46:25
There was vehicles like shitty makeshift structures, garbage
00:46:31
thrown everywhere, basically the property of a hoarder.
00:46:36
Speaker 4: That's in my mind, that's where I was thinking that
00:46:38
.
00:46:39
Speaker 1: Right If you see pictures of Susan and Monica in
00:46:44
the interrogation.
00:46:45
Fucking disgusting.
00:46:48
Speaker 4: She's got a dirty muumuu on.
00:46:49
Speaker 1: Yeah, like nasty shit , stained fucking clothes A
00:46:55
dirty version of the mom from Babe.
00:46:58
Speaker 4: That's what I'm picturing in my head.
00:46:59
That's what I'm picturing in my head.
00:47:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, and she actually admits in the in the
00:47:03
video in the interrogation uh, because they had her sitting in
00:47:06
there for so long.
00:47:07
She's like I shit my pants and they didn't do anything.
00:47:14
They didn't like have her go to the bathroom, she just sat
00:47:16
there in her fucking shit.
00:47:18
Speaker 4: Jesus, we gotta find those somewhere we're trying to
00:47:20
interrogate.
00:47:20
Yeah, that Roman smells.
00:47:23
Oh, I didn't even think of that , yeah it's fucking disgusting.
00:47:27
And they have to act that like play that good cop, bad cop
00:47:30
thing that they do.
00:47:30
You know what I mean.
00:47:32
Speaker 1: I would let you go wipe your ass.
00:47:33
Speaker 4: However, this guy You're sitting there, you ain't
00:47:37
moving.
00:47:37
He has to know the truth.
00:47:39
Speaker 1: Yeah.
00:47:41
Speaker 7: You might switch any spots.
00:47:43
Speaker 4: Can I switch his spots?
00:47:44
Sometimes the lighting in here gets weird on me.
00:47:49
Speaker 7: Is the camera on the wrong end here?
00:47:50
That was shit.
00:47:54
You don't want the sandwich, not at the moment, all right,
00:48:01
and I don't want my pants either , but since I shit in my pants,
00:48:07
without being able to wipe my ass here, so um so I'll kind of
00:48:14
skip you.
00:48:14
Speaker 4: Is it okay if I skip over something?
00:48:19
Speaker 2: Criminal AF.
00:48:19
We'll be back after this quick break.
00:48:21
Speaker 1: How can you get Generic Viagra for just 87 cents
00:48:24
per 100 milligram tablet?
00:48:25
First, just click the link for Friday plans in the episode
00:48:28
description to receive $10 off your first order.
00:48:30
Then select why you need Generic Viagra, the quantity you
00:48:34
need and the dosage, and give it a few seconds for their
00:48:36
system to qualify you and find the best deals.
00:48:38
And boom Generic Viagra for just 87 cents for each 100
00:48:42
milligram tablet.
00:48:42
It's that easy and, don't worry , your doctor's visit and
00:48:46
shipping are free.
00:48:47
So click on the link in episode description to receive $10 off
00:48:50
your first order of Generic Viagra from Friday Plans.
00:48:54
With the amount of graphic research I do for this show on
00:48:56
my phone, tablet and computer, if someone didn't know me they'd
00:49:00
think I was an active serial killer or someone really into
00:49:03
death and murder, I mean, which I kind of am.
00:49:05
But still I don't want those who have no business seeing my
00:49:09
online activity to gain access or to get hacked.
00:49:11
That's why I use NordVPN.
00:49:14
With NordVPN, I can avoid government tracking, hackers and
00:49:18
other forms of exploitation by allowing me to change my IP
00:49:21
address, virtually disappearing on the web.
00:49:23
So go to the show notes on this episode and click the link for
00:49:27
NordVPN.
00:49:28
What's good?
00:49:31
Everybody Nothing says I am one of the debauched like Criminal
00:49:35
AF apparel and merchandise.
00:49:36
Choose from multiple designs that fit your style and your
00:49:39
attitude.
00:49:41
Speaker 2: For women, for men, around the home or at the office
00:49:44
, you can look great, repping Criminal AF wherever you go and
00:49:47
help support the podcast as well by visiting
00:49:50
criminalafpodcastcom backslash shop or click on the link in the
00:49:53
episode description.
00:49:55
Speaker 4: Go get you some mouse .
00:49:56
Yes, sir.
00:49:59
Speaker 2: Now back to Criminal AF.
00:50:01
Speaker 1: All right.
00:50:02
So Susan Monica had told detectives that Robert had lived
00:50:05
and worked on her property for about six months, but in the
00:50:08
fall he took a turn for the worst after receiving a phone
00:50:12
call about his family member's assault.
00:50:13
When detectives reviewed security camera footage, they
00:50:17
saw Susan Monica using Robert's EBT card his Oregon Trails
00:50:22
electronic fucking card at the Walmart that was about 25 minute
00:50:27
drive from Monica's property.
00:50:28
Now, law enforcement then executed a search warrant on the
00:50:31
property.
00:50:31
They were taken aback by the sheer squalor of the property.
00:50:35
There was piles of garbage, rotting food and industrial
00:50:39
waste.
00:50:39
They also complained of a very strong smell of decay.
00:50:43
Hmm, wonder where that was coming from.
00:50:46
Speaker 4: I mean it'd be hard to pinpoint anything when the
00:50:49
decay was coming from.
00:50:51
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a hoarder's house Probably from the crotch
00:50:54
Ugh as they were executing the search warrant, they were
00:50:58
filming and one of the officers said to the detective in charge
00:51:01
I think we found something.
00:51:03
The investigator spotted a human leg in the catchment pond
00:51:10
and it was clear to them that it was not an animal bone.
00:51:13
It appeared to be a human leg, as we just said, that had been
00:51:17
severed mid-femur down to the toes.
00:51:20
So what do you think they'd do?
00:51:25
Speaker 4: They bring the mom from Babe down to the sheriff's
00:51:29
station.
00:51:30
Speaker 1: Yeah, they bring the mom from Babe down to the
00:51:32
sheriff's station for questioning.
00:51:34
Speaker 4: That'll do pig.
00:51:35
Sorry, I don't know why I'm doing Babe references right now.
00:51:39
Speaker 6: Did you watch?
00:51:39
Speaker 1: that movie recently I know You're all about Babe
00:51:42
references Sorry go ahead.
00:51:43
Speaker 4: That's what I'm picturing right now.
00:51:45
Speaker 1: Alright.
00:51:46
So they bring her down to the station of questioning and once
00:51:49
she is confronted with the discovery of the human leg on
00:51:51
her property, she begins spinning her story.
00:51:53
She told detectives that one day in the fall she saw her pigs
00:51:57
in a feeding frenzy, and when she went to go check out what it
00:52:01
was, she saw robert laying there with his guts all over the
00:52:04
place.
00:52:05
He was being eaten alive, uh, by the pigs, uh.
00:52:09
She then went on to say that she couldn't stand seeing him
00:52:12
suffer.
00:52:12
So she went and got her gun, holy shit, shot him, uh, just
00:52:17
like she would with any other suffering animal on her property
00:52:20
.
00:52:20
She then left robert's body in the pig pen until a couple days
00:52:23
later when she scooped up his remains and put them in a
00:52:26
garbage bag.
00:52:27
Dude, that's hardcore, oh yeah.
00:52:28
She claimed that a coyote or something must have gotten into
00:52:32
one of the bags and dragged the foot out to the pond Plausible.
00:52:38
Speaker 4: Could happen?
00:52:38
What in the backcountry east bumfuck shit is going on?
00:52:45
Speaker 1: That country eats bumfuck shit, all right.
00:52:47
So when asked why she wouldn't call authorities, susan
00:52:50
explained that she was worried that authorities would want her
00:52:53
to kill her pigs.
00:52:54
God forbid, don't kill her pigs .
00:52:56
The investigators then asked what else they might find on the
00:53:00
property, and it was then that she broke down and said that
00:53:04
they may find something way worse.
00:53:06
Oh, she took a pen and a paper and drew them a map of the
00:53:10
property and put an x on the part of uh in the middle of the
00:53:13
map.
00:53:13
She then told them right here, that's where you're going to
00:53:18
find steve.
00:53:19
Hmm, steve or steven delac was another former handyman of
00:53:27
Monica's who worked on her property in the summer of 2012,
00:53:31
a full year before Robert Haney arrived.
00:53:34
Now, monica had an explanation, of course, of why D'Alessino's
00:53:38
body was buried on her property.
00:53:39
I'm curious.
00:53:40
We're about to find out.
00:53:42
So, according to Susan Monica whileica, while delacino was
00:53:45
working for her, she noticed that the two of her guns were
00:53:48
missing.
00:53:48
Oh, who the fuck took my guns?
00:53:50
They had to dig through all the fucking pigsty and the trash on
00:53:54
the ground.
00:53:55
Just fucking dig out my guns.
00:53:56
I'm fucking pissed.
00:53:57
Uh, she looked through his property and found them among
00:54:00
delacino's things, but when she confronted him about it they got
00:54:04
to to sort of a wrestling match .
00:54:06
You want to wrestle?
00:54:08
I'll wrestle you if I damn guns Ting, that was chewing tobacco.
00:54:15
Speaker 4: Yeah, I picked it up.
00:54:17
I picked it up, I got it immediately oh thank you, I'm an
00:54:20
avid tobacco chewer.
00:54:22
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I know.
00:54:23
Yeah, Susan had said that when they were having a physical
00:54:27
altercation, Stephen got an erection.
00:54:30
No, just kidding, Stephen had grabbed one of her breast
00:54:34
implants.
00:54:34
Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.
00:54:37
Speaker 4: What she lives on a farm.
00:54:40
Yes, how does she have breast implants?
00:54:42
She's in rural Oregon living on a farm.
00:54:47
Speaker 1: She was a successful engineer.
00:54:48
She's able to buy a 20-acre farm Well now you just messed up
00:54:52
my whole babe.
00:54:54
Speaker 4: Why the mom from Babe she?
00:54:56
Speaker 2: doesn't have breast implants.
00:54:57
No.
00:54:57
Speaker 4: I don't know she could.
00:54:58
I need to see a picture.
00:55:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, Casey.
00:55:01
Can you pull up a picture of Susan Monica Sure Dave All uh,
00:55:07
yeah, casey can you?
00:55:07
Pull up a picture of susan monica.
00:55:08
Sure dave all right, so yeah, that's her right there, yeah
00:55:10
fucking train wreck right with some fat fake tits.
00:55:13
Speaker 4: Yeah, with no big old titties all right, all right.
00:55:16
Speaker 1: So all right, here we go.
00:55:17
All right.
00:55:18
So susan had said that when he got into having their physical
00:55:21
altercation, uh, steven had grabbed one of her breast
00:55:24
implants and twisted it so bad that she felt like it ruptured.
00:55:28
She complained that she, of course, had to defend herself
00:55:33
after spending $9 on something and having it almost
00:55:37
destroyed.
00:55:38
Speaker 4: A A fair assessment yeah.
00:55:43
There Everybody's entitled to yeah to their property.
00:55:46
It depends on the state.
00:55:48
You know there's some weird laws, but we might be fine.
00:55:51
Speaker 1: Like if you're going to burst one of my fucking
00:55:53
titties.
00:55:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, I spent nine grand.
00:55:54
Speaker 1: That's a felony.
00:55:55
Speaker 4: And what's over a felony?
00:55:55
500 over a felony?
00:55:57
Yeah, I'm fucking murdering your ass.
00:55:59
Speaker 1: Fuck you, All right.
00:56:07
So at some point during the altercation she claimed that one
00:56:08
of the guns went off and struck D'Alessino in the back of his
00:56:10
head.
00:56:10
Now Monica said that at one point during the struggle she
00:56:12
had grabbed another rifle and, standing over D'Alessino, shot
00:56:14
him dead.
00:56:14
Damn, Fuck you, motherfucker.
00:56:17
That's for my tit All right.
00:56:21
After admitted to at least two unreported killings on her
00:56:24
property, Detective Eric Henderson asked Susan if there
00:56:27
were any other dead bodies on her property that they might
00:56:30
encounter.
00:56:31
Detective Henderson said she told me that if she had
00:56:35
mentioned anything about the other 17 others, that she would
00:56:39
spend the rest of her life 17?
00:56:41
17.
00:56:41
I don't know if this is a joke or what.
00:56:44
Yeah, but hey how about it?
00:56:46
Speaker 4: I keep like listening to the story of her like
00:56:49
wrestling these individuals and stuff like that.
00:56:51
Speaker 5: It's like how did she do this right?
00:56:53
Speaker 4: I keep forgetting that she transitioned.
00:56:54
I keep forgetting that like yeah, because she's like oh, I
00:56:59
was wrestling this guy, I wrestled that guy.
00:57:01
She's a, she's a, she's a what and Mark.
00:57:06
Speaker 6: She's a man.
00:57:11
Speaker 1: She's a what Garrett.
00:57:12
Speaker 4: She's a man Originally Biologically,
00:57:15
biologically.
00:57:16
Yes, I don't want to get cancelled.
00:57:20
Speaker 6: I mean the first issue with who.
00:57:23
Was it, steven?
00:57:24
The first one was, chronologically the first issue
00:57:25
with who was it Stephen?
00:57:26
Speaker 1: The first one was.
00:57:27
Well, chronologically, the first one was Stephen, but
00:57:29
story-wise, the first one was Robert.
00:57:32
Speaker 6: Yes, stephen was the one that broke her.
00:57:33
Who popped her titty?
00:57:35
Speaker 4: Yeah, her breast, her breast.
00:57:37
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that's total self-defense.
00:57:41
Speaker 1: No, say titty, casey or breast.
00:57:42
Speaker 4: Say titty.
00:57:51
Speaker 6: Say titty, say titty.
00:57:52
Her implant ruptured.
00:57:53
Yes.
00:57:53
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, her implant ruptured.
00:57:55
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.
00:57:56
Speaker 6: Yes, she was just defending herself.
00:57:58
Obviously that's a legitimate story.
00:57:59
It's so unbelievable it's got to be believed.
00:58:01
Right, you know, unbelievable, it's gotta be believed.
00:58:04
Speaker 1: right, you know, and I'm sure the detectives will, oh
00:58:06
, vindicate her absolutely yeah, she'll get out yeah easily, I
00:58:08
mean it's a good defense I can see where her lot like, where
00:58:13
the logic yeah where the logic was there well, see, I had to.
00:58:16
Speaker 4: I cost nine thousand dollars.
00:58:17
Speaker 1: That's my property well, yeah, I mean in both cases
00:58:20
.
00:58:20
You know, she saw one guy getting eaten alive by pigs.
00:58:22
I'm I want to put him out of his misery.
00:58:24
She's like you know what?
00:58:24
I'm just going to put him out of his fucking memory, his
00:58:27
misery, you know.
00:58:28
Speaker 4: I can just see her sitting there, the detective,
00:58:31
just coming up with excuses With shit in her pants.
00:58:33
Speaker 7: I shit in my pants.
00:58:34
I shit in my pants.
00:58:38
I shit in my pants.
00:58:39
Speaker 4: Wait, why also did Steven get shot in the back of
00:58:43
the head, right?
00:58:44
Speaker 1: yeah, if you were wrestling with him in your
00:58:47
self-defense you got shot in the back of the head.
00:58:50
Well, the first shot was for the ruptured titty, yeah, and
00:58:53
the other one was because her fucking nipples are probably
00:58:54
still fucking sore.
00:58:55
Speaker 4: Yeah, she got, like you know, that secondary anger
00:58:57
Right.
00:58:58
Speaker 7: God damn it.
00:59:00
Speaker 4: All right, we can't distract distracted here.
00:59:02
Speaker 1: So Susan's stories.
00:59:03
They keep changing, and while she initially claimed that she
00:59:06
had shot Delacino in self-defense, she later claimed
00:59:10
he repeatedly shot himself in the head.
00:59:12
Oh, okay, yes.
00:59:14
Speaker 4: Yeah, so now we're just changing the story Right,
00:59:16
kind of like the Clintons.
00:59:17
Stop, stop, stop.
00:59:18
We're not Stop it, stop it.
00:59:20
We're getting on teeter-tottering.
00:59:23
We got transgender, we got Clinton.
00:59:26
Speaker 6: I did not have sex relations with that woman.
00:59:29
Damn your bill's real good.
00:59:32
Speaker 4: Wait what I said, his Bill Clinton's very good.
00:59:34
Yeah, that was pretty good yeah .
00:59:36
Speaker 1: All right, and none of her stories matched forensic
00:59:39
evidence collected at the scene.
00:59:45
Speaker 7: Now during her videotaped interrogation, when
00:59:46
she had shit in her pants monica had stated, I do not value
00:59:50
human life very much.
00:59:51
Speaker 1: The only thing wrong with this planet is there's
00:59:54
people on it.
00:59:54
If it weren't for us, all the other animals dodo, birds and
00:59:59
whatever else would still be here.
01:00:00
Oh, she does make a point not true, but okay the dodo birds
01:00:06
just died because they couldn't fucking fly.
01:00:08
They couldn't escape the humans .
01:00:11
Speaker 6: Their fault, not ours I mean I'm sure there were
01:00:16
animals that went extinct because of you know, before
01:00:19
humans were here.
01:00:20
Like, yeah, like all the dinosaurs and right if you
01:00:23
believe in that kind of stuff.
01:00:25
Speaker 4: Yeah, if if you believe in that kind of, so
01:00:29
that's hilarious see we would be having so much fun in another
01:00:32
type of podcast right now.
01:00:34
Speaker 1: Susan monica was charged with killing robert
01:00:36
haney in september of 2013 and stephen delacino in august of
01:00:40
2012.
01:00:41
She first appeared appeared in court video on Tuesday, january
01:00:45
24, 2014.
01:00:47
She attempted to fire her defense attorneys, but the judge
01:00:50
denied her request.
01:00:51
Susan told Jackson County Judge Timothy Barnack that her
01:00:55
attorneys are not properly investigating her defense.
01:00:59
Monica complained that one of the attorneys, christine Herbert
01:01:03
, architect.
01:01:06
Architect Herbert complained that one of the attorney
01:01:08
attorneys christine herbert architect wanted her to sign a
01:01:11
waiver to look at any mental health records that might exist
01:01:14
on it.
01:01:14
She seems to be more interested in my mental health than in
01:01:18
this case I mean, it's a fair defense.
01:01:20
Speaker 4: She knows you're fucked regardless like she's
01:01:22
trying to help you out a little bit, right.
01:01:24
Yeah, oh, that's funny.
01:01:26
You're kind of crazy, yeah, you're.
01:01:28
Speaker 1: Uh.
01:01:28
Barnack declined to fire herbert and code defense
01:01:31
attorney zachary light.
01:01:32
The judge also wouldn't let monica represent herself on to
01:01:35
murder or felony abuse.
01:01:37
Speaker 6: Imagine that show, imagine her representing herself
01:01:41
oh, that would have been.
01:01:42
Speaker 4: That's.
01:01:42
That would have been great right, especially if they
01:01:45
allowed TVs in the courtroom.
01:01:46
Speaker 1: That, would have been hilarious.
01:01:47
Speaker 4: Well, you see what happened.
01:01:50
Speaker 7: It was self-defense, my tit almost got ripped off.
01:01:52
He gave me a titty twister $9, your honor $9.
01:01:56
Speaker 1: That was a $9 titty twister.
01:01:59
It pissed me off, so I put a bullet in his fucking head, in
01:02:04
the back of his head, in the back of his head, yeah all right
01:02:09
, so yeah, so the judge wouldn't let monica represent herself on
01:02:12
two murder charges and two uh, felony, abusive corpse charges,
01:02:17
um, as she had requested wait, do you get charged if you feed
01:02:23
the corpse to the pigs?
01:02:25
Speaker 4: Abusive corpse.
01:02:25
That would be abusive corpse.
01:02:26
That's an extra card.
01:02:27
Oh, okay.
01:02:28
Speaker 1: Good to know.
01:02:28
Anything other than doing a proper disposal of a corpse is
01:02:37
abusive corpse.
01:02:38
Oh, okay, Didn't know that.
01:02:40
I'll give you an opportunity to represent yourself down the
01:02:43
line.
01:02:43
I'll give you an opportunity to represent yourself down the
01:02:44
line, but for now the judge said it would be a mistake not to
01:02:48
let them work the case right now .
01:02:51
Speaker 4: The judge is probably like listen, you're going to
01:02:53
jail anyway.
01:02:53
At least she's trying to help you out.
01:02:58
Speaker 1: He's like I'm not.
01:02:58
We're not dealing with a fucking mistrial here Now.
01:03:00
Barnack told Monica that you're normal to me and reminded her
01:03:03
that she is innocent until proven guilty.
01:03:05
I realize I am guilty of a couple things, but I am not
01:03:09
guilty of murder susan monica's headset.
01:03:11
The rambling 17 minute hearing was prompted by a letter monica
01:03:17
wrote to barnack that he said contained information about the
01:03:21
case.
01:03:21
In april 2015, the the trial began.
01:03:24
Susan Monica pled not guilty to two counts of murder, abuse of
01:03:28
a corpse and identity theft, which we know.
01:03:31
This is how the case originally fucking started.
01:03:34
Speaker 4: The Oregon Trail Electronic debit card.
01:03:39
Speaker 1: The trial lasted six days and definitely had its
01:03:41
circus moments, Susan.
01:03:43
She wore a number of different wigs and definitely was animated
01:03:47
and dramatic during the proceedings god, I'm gonna look
01:03:49
all this up when later on yeah, it's so wild.
01:03:53
Um, yeah, I was trying to get the video for all this, but, um,
01:03:58
I was having a problem recording it.
01:04:00
But yeah, it's fucking crazy.
01:04:02
Speaker 7: You gotta check it out now monica, despite having
01:04:03
represented uh representation, chose to cross-examine.
01:04:05
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's fucking crazy.
01:04:05
You gotta check it out now.
01:04:06
Monica, despite having representation, chose to cross
01:04:09
examine Eric Henderson, the case's lead investigator, and
01:04:13
during a trial, an Oregon State Police anthropologist testified
01:04:17
that Haney's legs had been dismembered with an axe and that
01:04:21
his thigh bones showed signs of being gnawed on by an animal.
01:04:25
So goes the story about the pig , right?
01:04:30
Yeah, now the anthropologist stated that it was unclear
01:04:34
whether haney had been dead prior to his dismemberment of
01:04:37
his legs.
01:04:38
It was also stated by the anthropologist that delacino had
01:04:41
suffered three to four gunshot wounds to the head.
01:04:44
God, that must have been a horrible titty twister.
01:04:49
Another witness who had been in jail with Monica testified that
01:04:52
she had received a birthday card from her, signed from the
01:04:55
sweetest murderer in Jackson County.
01:04:57
Oh how sweet, poor sweet.
01:05:00
Now Susan had addressed Haney's family, digging her heels in
01:05:03
about her story that she had discovered a disemboweled Haney
01:05:07
inexplicably in her pen, being devoured by pigs and near death
01:05:11
a month after he disappeared in the fall of 2013.
01:05:15
I couldn't bring myself to call you simply to say, hey, your
01:05:20
father has finally shown up.
01:05:21
Come get him out of my pig pen.
01:05:24
She said while seated in court.
01:05:25
She's like I just couldn't do it.
01:05:27
Closing arguments happen.
01:05:29
But then just one more scene.
01:05:32
Just before the jury was set to delivery, as Barnack addressed
01:05:35
the jury, monica stood up, raised her hand and began asking
01:05:39
for the chance to give jurors one more demonstration on how
01:05:43
she claimed she shot Tellocino with the gun held perpendicular
01:05:47
to the ground and in the air, the only way her story could
01:05:51
match forensic evidence.
01:05:53
Speaker 4: Yeah, because the best way to convince a jury that
01:05:57
you're innocent is to get up and act out how you shot someone
01:06:00
.
01:06:01
Speaker 1: Exactly how a forensic evidence fucking
01:06:03
demonstrated Great idea.
01:06:04
Monica blurted out I'd like to demonstrate how I shot him for
01:06:08
10 seconds.
01:06:09
That's all I need, 10 seconds.
01:06:10
And Judge Barnack at first ignored her.
01:06:13
Then Monica put her hands in the air, as she did in her
01:06:20
earlier testimony, from the stand and said I held the gun
01:06:22
like this Pretty animated right.
01:06:24
Yeah, how did it go?
01:06:25
Speaker 6: I'm in the line of fire, so yeah sorry, you're my
01:06:30
intended target.
01:06:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, muzzle discipline.
01:06:32
Yeah, yeah, finger up the trigger, please.
01:06:33
Uh, barnack ordered her back to the jackson county jail and
01:06:37
sheriff sheriff's deputies took her away.
01:06:39
She returned less than two hours later for the verdict.
01:06:41
The jury didn't buy monica's claim that she shot delacino
01:06:45
five times in the head in self-defense during a struggle
01:06:48
in her barn, or that she shot Haney to put him out of his
01:06:51
misery.
01:06:51
The so-called mercy defense is also not acknowledged under
01:06:57
Oregon Trail electronic card law .
01:06:59
It took the 10-man, two-woman jury about an hour to elect a
01:07:06
foreperson and reach its verdict of guilty on all charges.
01:07:10
Imagine sitting in on that jury verdict.
01:07:12
Speaker 4: They're like why did they take an hour?
01:07:14
Speaker 6: They probably just hung out for a little bit Like
01:07:16
we've got to make this look like we're actually going to do
01:07:18
something.
01:07:18
That's probably what it is.
01:07:19
Speaker 4: Like we can't just come right back in the room.
01:07:22
Speaker 1: Does anybody have dash pass?
01:07:23
We've got to go to lunch before we go back out there.
01:07:27
Somebody get the.
01:07:29
Speaker 5: Oregon Trail.
01:07:36
Speaker 3: Does dash pass?
01:07:36
Take the Oregon Trail.
01:07:37
Speaker 5: PBT card.
01:07:38
Speaker 3: We're going to get some pizzas.
01:07:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were like yeah, you can take your
01:07:45
shit-stained fucking pants and go fuck off.
01:07:47
Speaker 7: I shit in my pants.
01:07:49
Speaker 1: Now Judge Barnack.
01:07:50
He addressed Susan Monica.
01:07:51
He says you shot two people and fed them to you pigs.
01:07:55
I don't know how else I can put it that you value your pigs
01:07:58
more than you value people.
01:07:59
It may sound harsh, but you are a cold-blooded killer.
01:08:05
And Barnack sentenced Monica to two consecutive life terms with
01:08:10
a mandatory 25-year minimum on the murder charges.
01:08:13
She was given credit for time served in the Jackson City
01:08:17
County Jail and her remaining convictions.
01:08:19
Susan could have awaited sentencing, but asked for it to
01:08:23
be imposed as soon as the jury was dismissed, saying it doesn't
01:08:27
seem to matter, just fucking sentence me, I'm over it.
01:08:34
Speaker 4: Oh man what a story that's a good one.
01:08:37
Those are back-to-back fucking.
01:08:41
Speaker 6: I'd appeal that.
01:08:42
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'd appeal it as a defense attorney.
01:08:44
Speaker 4: how would you defend her?
01:08:45
See, this is what I like.
01:08:45
Appeal that, yeah.
01:08:45
Yeah, I'd appeal it.
01:08:45
Yeah.
01:08:45
How would you have as a defense attorney?
01:08:46
How would you defend her?
01:08:46
That's what see, this is what I like.
01:08:48
Speaker 6: This is what I like Casey for.
01:08:49
No, no, no, no.
01:08:49
I mean, obviously she's got something there.
01:08:53
You know, pigs are adorable there are some adorable pigs
01:08:57
there are and you know I wouldn't want to see anything
01:08:59
bad happen to Some adorable pigs .
01:09:02
Speaker 1: They're also bloodthirsty?
01:09:04
Are they, the pigs that wear the bow tie?
01:09:08
Speaker 6: I mean, I would imagine they get the little
01:09:09
squealies, Probably not.
01:09:10
Based on the description we've heard of her, it sounds like
01:09:14
they'd be well-kept pigs bow tie-wearing pigs.
01:09:20
Speaker 1: I like it.
01:09:21
I like it Okay.
01:09:23
Speaker 4: There's no defense.
01:09:23
You could actually be A defense attorney was looking for
01:09:26
anything.
01:09:27
Can I just please look?
01:09:28
Into your mental health yeah.
01:09:29
Speaker 6: Please.
01:09:29
There's probably a procedural error or something you know.
01:09:37
Speaker 1: Your Honor, I'd like to call to the stand a breast
01:09:39
implant titty twister specialist .
01:09:40
The amount?
01:09:40
Of pain that happens when you burst one of your implants from
01:09:42
a titty twister.
01:09:43
It can cause you extreme distress.
01:09:46
Speaker 4: God, I got it.
01:09:47
I'm 100%.
01:09:48
After this, I'm going to go Google.
01:09:51
You have to you have to.
01:09:52
Speaker 1: You have to look up all the interviews, you have to
01:09:54
look up the interrogation.
01:09:55
This is going to be a good one.
01:09:56
The best part is she's sitting there.
01:09:58
I'm not even kidding, this is the's sitting there.
01:10:06
She's sitting in a chair, okay, for like 20 minutes, and you
01:10:12
can see her kind of like shifting around.
01:10:14
Speaker 4: Oh, she's letting a little bit of gas out of the air
01:10:17
.
01:10:17
Speaker 1: The detective comes in into the interrogation room
01:10:21
and I don't know if it's because the camera is angled a certain
01:10:24
way, or he's doing it for a power struggle, or whatever.
01:10:27
He tells susan monica, I need you to sit in that chair.
01:10:29
And as soon as susan monica gets up out of the chair to move
01:10:33
to the other one, that's when she says that's a shit in my
01:10:36
pants and the detective not even phased, doesn't even look at
01:10:41
the chair to see if there's a fucking shit stain right back.
01:10:43
He sits right in the chair.
01:10:44
He's like fuck you.
01:10:46
Speaker 4: I don't care, dedication right there.
01:10:47
Speaker 1: I don't care, you sit down.
01:10:49
And she sat there another fucking hour with fucking shit
01:10:51
in her pants.
01:10:52
That was pretty fucking well.
01:10:55
Speaker 7: I shit my pants.
01:10:59
Speaker 4: That should be the name of the episode.
01:11:00
Speaker 6: Alright.
01:11:05
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, that'll do it for this episode
01:11:07
of criminal af.
01:11:08
You know you can let us know what you thought of this episode
01:11:11
by going to leave a comment on good pods or on spotify, or
01:11:15
leave us a review on apple podcast.
01:11:17
Thank you all so much for hanging out with us.
01:11:19
Now you can head on over to criminal as fuckcom to ask us
01:11:23
anything you'd like via our mail call tab or, if you'd like us
01:11:26
to give us some shitty advice, you know, like we do sometimes,
01:11:31
you can hit us up on our Dear Douchebags tab.
01:11:33
Now, signing off from Studio Chloroform, keep your head on a
01:11:37
swivel and stay safe till next time.
01:11:39
See ya, casey.
01:11:42
Speaker 4: you didn't say see ya , oh see ya Ready Three, two,
01:11:46
one, See ya Casey you didn't say see ya.
01:11:48
Speaker 1: Oh see ya, ready Three, two, one, see ya.
01:11:50
No-transcript.
Related Episodes
Ham and Eggs - E60
Send us a Text!!!Today we’ll take a look at arguably the world’s most heinous serial killing pedophile, Albert Fish.PLUS - We answer your Mail Call questions, give an update on “Rex Heuermann – Architect” and Garrett tells us that the fastest way to go to jail in Florida is to crash your car through...
What's In The Box? - E59
Send us a Text!!!In 2014, a man and his daughters were cleaning out their garage when they came upon a gruesome discovery. But this discovery was just the beginning of a nightmare that didn’t seem to have an end in sight. PLUS: We answer your Mail Call questions and Garrett fills us in about a drug ...
CrossOver Episode with True Crime University - E58
Send us a Text!!!On this crossover episode, I join Debby on her podcast, True Crime University, to provide some voiceover work in the role of William Bonin as Debby schools us on the Freeway Killer!!Executive Producers for this episode are Christine Rivera, Beth Davis, Dusty Jay Hicks, and Terri Bur...