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Speaker 1: In 2014,.
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A man and his daughters were cleaning out their garage when
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they came upon a gruesome discovery.
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But this discovery was just the beginning of a nightmare that
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didn't seem to have an end in sight.
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I'm Dave Jari, I'm Garrett Corder, and this is Criminal as
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Fuck.
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What's good?
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All you criminals, debauched and true crime douchebags out
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there, and welcome to another episode of Criminal AF.
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Once again, I am Dave Jari, and with me, as always, is my
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co-host, garrett Corder.
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How we doing Now.
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We have a pretty big announcement to make there,
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garrett, and, as you all know, we've been out of commission for
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a bit because of the flood to Studio Chloroform, but between
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Speaker 2: I wouldn't say extensive, I don't know it was
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pretty extensive.
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Speaker 1: It took us a little bit.
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We're finally up and running baby Studio Chloroform's back.
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Yes, sir, now, in addition to being back in studio chloroform,
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So let's give a huge Criminal AF shout out to our new producer
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Commercial recorded at Beach Pond, the site where Michael
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Ross murdered two of his victims .
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Got anything to say?
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Casey, thanks for having me.
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I do like to be the little spoon I do that's my favorite
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right so nothing's off limits.
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Now.
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We would love to get to all of our questions, but you know, for
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time purposes we can only do about two or three.
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So if you don't hear yours on this particular episode, it will
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be coming up on a future episode.
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So just stand by.
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Uh, first up we have our good friend of the show, follow flint
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.
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He just graduated from law school.
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Speaker 2: Oh, my God yeah.
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We need a lawyer on retainer, so every time we butcher laws we
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can just Well, don't count your ex, you know, oh, he's 100%.
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We're keeping on speed dial.
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All right, Flint you heard that it's all defense, it's all
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defense.
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Speaker 1: He just graduated from law school, along with our
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other friends at a show, lauren and Jamie, so congratulations
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all of you for such a great amazing achievement.
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I can't even pass a math class, so that's pretty good.
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Now this question actually, this question is directed to you
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, garrett, okay, okay and follow .
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Flint wants to know Garrett, will you still allow me to
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listen to the show, even if I become a scumbag defense
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attorney?
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Speaker 2: So You're trashing these defense?
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Oh Gary, so in history, no, you're trashing these defense
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attorneys.
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No, I am.
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I think.
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I mean, how many episodes have we gone through where I just
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talk so much shit?
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Speaker 1: on defense attorneys oh yeah, it's pretty much every
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single one.
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Speaker 2: But hey pays the bills it does pay the bills.
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Speaker 1: It's better than a prosecutor, for sure no of
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course.
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Speaker 2: Actually, like I said , I want to keep you on retainer
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, so when we have any questions, we can just call up and be like
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hey.
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Speaker 4: All right.
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Speaker 1: All right, good Well, you're still allowed to listen.
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Man Fala Flint.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, even though you're a scumbag, even though
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you're a fucking scumbag.
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Speaker 1: now Defend those criminals.
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Speaker 2: No, you get to pick and choose your cases though,
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right, so as long as he doesn't defend like some real pieces of
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shit, then we'll be fine.
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Speaker 1: Okay, all right, thank you very much.
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Follow Flint.
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Next up we have Jeanette and she wants to know do you prefer
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cake or pie?
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And, whatever you pick, what is your favorite flavor?
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Speaker 2: I think we just we actually just recently talked
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about this.
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I'm cake, for sure, you're cake .
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Yeah, pies, pies are good, but wait, no, that was us casey.
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I think we were discussing that because we were talking about
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tiramisu, it was.
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It was the conversation about tiramisu for sure I mean
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tiramisu is delicious yeah, but it's not cake.
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That was the argument somebody was like it's cake.
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It's not cake.
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Speaker 3: It's not cake and pies are by far better than yeah
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.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, we know you're a pie guy.
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Yeah well, I will say this way with cake, take birthday cakes
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out of the equation.
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Speaker 2: No, but that's the best cake.
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No, it's not Shitty birthday cake with crappy like just a
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vanilla square cake with shitty frosting, with strawberry
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frosting.
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Oh my God, it's the fucking best.
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It has to be the worst fucking cake ever.
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Speaker 1: Dude, it's the best.
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No, the only birthday cake that I'll fuck with is chocolate,
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chocolate.
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Speaker 2: Right, it's chocolate , chocolate, you know Chocolate
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cake with chocolate frosting yeah, but that's shitty too.
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Speaker 1: It is, but carrot cake, no, carrot cake is the
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fucking bomb.
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No, yep, I'll eat carrot cake.
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Speaker 2: Dude put me at the cake table at like a
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four-year-old's birthday party.
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I'm fucking.
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I'm there.
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Let me go to your kid's birthday.
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Speaker 1: But if somebody came up to me and said, hey, what do
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you prefer, cake or pie?
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I'm going to say pie, yeah.
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Pie is good, but I just you can't beat an apple pie,
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especially a warm apple pie.
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Speaker 2: Slice a cheddar on it .
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A little slice of cheddar, okay .
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Speaker 1: All right, I got you.
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Speaker 3: Ed.
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Speaker 1: Gein.
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Speaker 3: I feel like that's such an old person thing to do,
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I know, but it's good it is.
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Speaker 2: I actually learned that from the Ed Gein episode
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and it is worth it.
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Speaker 1: You tried it, yeah.
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Speaker 2: Did you Delish?
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It's got to be melted on it though.
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Speaker 1: You can't just throw a slice.
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Did you try the warm apple pie that I gave you?
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No, with the hole in the middle , no.
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Speaker 2: I didn't, Dave no.
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Speaker 1: The funny part is they think it's a joke.
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It's not a joke.
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I will definitely choose pie 100%, but if I'm giving a cake,
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I would want to be carrot cake.
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I love fucking carrot cake.
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All right, so thank you very much, jeanette.
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I like that question.
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Next is the Saintest Saint.
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They want to know here's a good one Out of all the last meals,
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what is your favorite or most appealing last meal?
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Speaker 2: Out of former known last meals of criminals.
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Yeah Well, let's see we got the list here.
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Go ahead, start reading through some of them.
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All right, so we can discuss which one did you?
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Speaker 1: Okay, we got a.
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Well, we can go with John Wayne Gacy, right?
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So he owned a KFC, yeah.
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So of course he had to have the bucket of KFC chicken.
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He's had 12 fried prawns.
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Those are like what shrimp prawns.
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Yeah, they're like larger shrimp, larger shrimps, a pound
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of strawberries and French fries and a diet Coke.
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Speaker 2: The pound of strawberries throws me off every
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time I hear that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
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Speaker 2: It's just so out of the I don't know.
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It just seems creepy to me, it seems very gacy.
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A pound of fresh strawberries, Like I don't know.
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There's just something weird about that, Because you got KFC
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chicken, shrimp, French fries, a Diet Coke and then a pound of
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fresh strawberries.
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That's very.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, now that you mention it, a pound of French
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fries.
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Speaker 2: It's just out of the norm.
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Speaker 1: It's weird.
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My thought was the Diet Coke.
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Like dude, you're about to fucking die.
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Who cares if you have a?
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Speaker 2: fucking.
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A lot of people like the taste of Diet Coke.
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A lot of people like the taste of Diet Coke.
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Speaker 1: It tastes like fucking rubbing alcohol Diet
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Coke.
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Speaker 2: I like it.
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I want a Diet Coke every now and then Diet.
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Speaker 1: Coke's good?
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I don't know, you guys are crazy I think no wonder, you
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guys should be on this fucking list.
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Speaker 2: Like regular Coke is just too.
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There's too much sugar, it's too sweet.
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Okay, I think that's why.
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Speaker 1: Even though Diet.
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Speaker 2: Coke's just as bad.
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Speaker 1: for you, I will fuck with a Coke Zero.
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Though Coke Zero's good, it's not no, it's not the same as
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Diet.
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Speaker 2: Coke.
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I know it's different.
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It does have a different taste.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
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So I mean, yeah, that's good, that's iconic, the Oklahoma City
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bomber there.
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He just wanted two pints of mint chocolate chip ice cream.
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Speaker 2: Underrated pick, in my opinion.
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Like mint chocolate chip.
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No, I'm just thinking of like as a last meal.
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Two like ice cream.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: It's an underrated pick.
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It's actually pretty good.
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There's a couple people that.
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The last thing you have on this earth is ice cream.
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That's not horrible.
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I would go for an ice cream Plus.
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You don't want to have a full belly when you die right?
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Speaker 1: I don't think so.
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See now, if Gacy would have mentioned all Of that and then
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replace the strawberries with fucking ice cream.
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Oh yeah, that would have been classic, but he gets knocked
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down a notch for that.
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All right, eileen, your girl Eileen.
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She was like you know what?
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I'm not hungry, I just wanted a cup of black coffee.
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Speaker 2: That's all she wants like, like a true alcoholic,
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anonymous Pick let me just get a black coffee.
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Speaker 4: I'm going to sit in the back of the room and just
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listen.
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I don't want to tell my story.
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Speaker 2: I don't know.
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Black coffee seems like such an Eileen thing to do, yeah.
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Speaker 1: Alright.
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So now we got Richard Cooey Alright.
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So people that don't know who Richard is.
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He raped, stabbed and tortured two college students in Akron,
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ohio in 1986.
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Now and tortured two college students in Akron, ohio in 1986.
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Speaker 2: Now his last meal is this was the go-to for sure A
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T-bone steak.
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Speaker 1: He's got onion rings, french fries, four fried eggs,
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buttered toast, hash browns, a bucket of Rocky Road ice cream,
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bear claw pastries, ooh okay, and a two-liter bottle of
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Mountain Dew.
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Speaker 2: That is, that's got to be the winner.
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Speaker 1: He's going out on top , he was just like everything
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good.
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Speaker 2: Yep, there's no way he finished all that either.
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Speaker 1: I would say no, but I bet you had a fucking hell of a
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time.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna get a little morbid here the gases
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that were coming out of that guy's body after he died.
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Yeah, when he started, like must have been.
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You probably could start smelling it after when they were
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pulling him off the table for sure.
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Speaker 1: Imagine the fucking rocky road ice cream just
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getting fried, fried, rocky road ice cream.
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Speaker 3: Does Akron, ohio have an unlimited budget.
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Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking too, because there's
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gotta be a limit, right some?
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Speaker 3: states have limits.
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I feel like if you're gonna kill somebody, you might as well
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you gotta give them what they want, yeah.
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They deserve, they've earned the right.
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Speaker 2: No, the state's still killing you.
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Their state is still killing you.
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You gotta give them a little Come on.
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Speaker 1: we can afford Congratulations on raping and
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murdering those fucking women.
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Speaker 2: but yeah, we'll give you a fucking rocky road.
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The one thing I will sub out, though two liter bottle of
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Mountain Dew is just wild.
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That's a very Florida man thing .
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Speaker 4: Two liter bottle of Mountain.
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Speaker 2: Dew.
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Yeah, I'm not a Mountain Dew fan.
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Speaker 1: No, I'm surprised that didn't kill him actually.
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Mountain Dew is the official drink of West Virginia there we
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go.
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Speaker 2: That's exactly what I said.
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Speaker 1: I'm not even kidding, like there, mountain, mountain
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Dew sales.
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Look it up.
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Mountain Dew sales in West Virginia.
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Speaker 2: Oh man, if that doesn't tell you something about
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Mountain Dew, if there's anybody here that's listening
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from West Virginia.
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Speaker 1: Confirm this or not.
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Mountain Dew is the official fucking state drink.
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I'm not even kidding.
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Speaker 3: Do they even have, like the internet in West
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Virginia?
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It's just trailer after trailer after trailer and then you got
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canceled.
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Speaker 2: There's some nicer parts of West Virginia yeah, but
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majority of West Virginia is hillbilly.
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Yeah, west Virginia yeah, but majority of West Virginia is
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hillbilly.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure, ring-a-ding-ding.
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Speaker 2: It makes sense that Mountain Dew is the most drank
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beverage, because I got two teeth
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Ring-a-ding-ding-ding-ding-ding.
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Speaker 1: All right.
00:13:34
Next up we got Lawrence Russell Brewer.
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Now this guy.
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He killed a man named James Byrd by beating him and chaining
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him by the ankles and dragging him with a ute.
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What's a ute?
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Anybody know what a ute is I?
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Don't know what it is.
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Is it like a tractor or something?
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It's got to be some sort of heavy machinery.
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Yeah, he dragged him for three and a half miles until Bird's
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head was decapitated.
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That's wild.
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Speaker 2: I'm actually surprised it took three and a
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half miles.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right.
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So listen to fucking order.
00:14:00
Here he's got two fried chicken steaks, gravy, a triple
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cheeseburger with bacon, a cheese omelet, a bowl of okra, a
00:14:10
pound of barbecued meat, a half loaf of white bread, three
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fajitas, a large meat lovers pizza, three root beers, a
00:14:19
bucket of ice cream and a slab of peanut butter fudge.
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Now, when the food arrived, brewer was like meh, I'm not
00:14:27
hungry.
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Speaker 2: Oh, that's good, I like that.
00:14:28
Speaker 1: Fuck you and this led to the state of Texas to stop
00:14:32
granting last meal requests.
00:14:33
Whoa, they get the basic.
00:14:35
Aw, they're pussies.
00:14:36
They get the basic meal.
00:14:38
Speaker 2: That's crazy that they got so mad that he didn't
00:14:40
eat the food and they went out and that they pass an actual law
00:14:44
.
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Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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Speaker 2: That's petty to me I don't know.
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Speaker 1: That's a lot of fucking shit, though Fuck it.
00:14:49
Speaker 2: That's a lot of shit.
00:14:50
Speaker 3: A slab of peanut butter, a slab of peanut butter
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fudge.
00:14:53
Speaker 2: They just, yeah, they got the whole.
00:14:54
That's first square that comes out before they cut it up.
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Speaker 1: All right.
00:14:59
Next up, we got the infamous, infamous Ted.
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Speaker 3: Bundy Ted.
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Speaker 1: Bundy.
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I was going to think of his moniker.
00:15:06
What was it?
00:15:06
Oh, the Lady Killer.
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That was his moniker, the Lady Killer, ted Bundy.
00:15:10
All right, he just wanted whatever the default last meal
00:15:13
was for the state of Florida, which was steak, eggs, toast
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with butter and jam, hash browns , coffee and juice.
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Speaker 2: Classic, Classic though.
00:15:21
It's basically breakfast for dinner.
00:15:23
Mm-hmm, that might be my choice so far.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
00:15:25
Breakfast for dinner is pretty good.
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I like that.
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All right.
00:15:28
Then we got Ricky Ray Rector, and this is our last one we're
00:15:31
going to choose from.
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In 1981, Ricky Ray Rector.
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He shot three people at a restaurant in Arkansas, then
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murdered a police officer while pretending to surrender.
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Rector then shot himself in the head in a suicide attempt.
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He survived, but the injury left him with serious brain
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damage that rendered him mentally disabled.
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I thought you couldn't kill somebody who was mentally
00:15:50
disabled.
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Speaker 2: I thought that was like Well, I'm sure that the
00:15:55
crime happened before the incident.
00:15:56
Okay yeah.
00:15:56
Speaker 1: You know what I mean?
00:15:57
Yeah, All right.
00:15:57
So, Ricky Ray.
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He ordered steak, fried chicken , a slice of pecan pie and
00:16:04
cherry Kool-Aid.
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Speaker 2: You ruined it with cherry Kool-Aid.
00:16:08
Speaker 1: He ate everything before his execution.
00:16:10
But he told the prison guard he was saving the pecan pie for
00:16:13
later.
00:16:14
I like it.
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Speaker 2: You've got to add some mystique in your death
00:16:17
story.
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You know what I mean.
00:16:17
How creepy Imagine being the prison guard.
00:16:20
Speaker 1: That's what I mean.
00:16:21
He's like I'm just going to save this pie for later.
00:16:22
You're like what?
00:16:24
I'll be back, all right, so out of those who are you choosing?
00:16:31
Speaker 2: Not for the food, but I think I'm going to go with
00:16:34
Lawrence Brewer.
00:16:34
I'm going to go with Lawrence Brewer too.
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Speaker 3: I don't see how you don't.
00:16:38
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like a big old.
00:16:40
Fuck you on your last one.
00:16:41
Oh, so do you guys not eat it?
00:16:46
I'm picking him because I like how he ordered all that food and
00:16:48
just said, nah, I'm not hungry.
00:16:50
Speaker 1: Are you not eating it , though, if you're there?
00:16:53
Speaker 3: If I'm looking at his lineup, that is just the reason
00:16:56
why I was like oh, the variety there alone is.
00:16:59
Speaker 2: Plus the three root beers, you get extra points if
00:17:01
you go like a craft root beer.
00:17:04
You don't ask for the barks, you ask for, like you know, like
00:17:06
the root beer that you get at the fair.
00:17:08
Okay, you know what I'm trying to say Like the glass bottle.
00:17:12
Speaker 1: Like the home-brewed root beer.
00:17:13
Yes, okay, I got you.
00:17:14
Speaker 2: I'm a big sucker for a good like organic, but you
00:17:18
know what I mean.
00:17:19
Speaker 1: Yeah, I, I'm going with this guy's last meal.
00:17:22
The only thing that's kind of intriguing me is the bucket of
00:17:26
ice cream.
00:17:27
What kind of ice cream?
00:17:28
Speaker 2: It doesn't say he probably just went vanilla, it's
00:17:31
like a five-gallon bucket of ice cream, black raspberry, the
00:17:34
tub.
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Black raspberry vanilla.
00:17:36
Speaker 4: You like black raspberry ice cream?
00:17:37
We had this discussion.
00:17:38
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I called you an old man.
00:17:39
You called me a 90-year-old man .
00:17:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, black raspberry ice cream is definitely Do you
00:17:43
want some?
00:17:44
Pistachio with that.
00:17:45
Speaker 1: Dave, I'm liking all of that stuff on here.
00:17:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'm going.
00:17:47
Yeah, lawrence Brewer, I mean it's Before my surgery.
00:17:50
Ted Bundy closed.
00:17:51
Second Before my surgery.
00:17:52
Speaker 1: I could eat all of this.
00:17:54
Now, you'd be so fucked up In one sitting I could probably eat
00:17:57
all of that Large meat lovers pizza.
00:18:00
Yeah, I'm going with Brewer Brewer, Brewer Brewer, All right
00:18:02
, so thank you very much.
00:18:03
Saint to Saint, that was a good question.
00:18:05
Yeah, that was a good one, All right.
00:18:06
Next up and finally, we have Kate Goanna and she asks when
00:18:11
are you guys going on tour and when are you coming down under?
00:18:14
I would love to go.
00:18:16
I would fucking love that shit.
00:18:17
I would love it, Love it.
00:18:18
That's definitely a fucking bucket list item.
00:18:21
Speaker 2: Well, the goal is Kate's got to show us around too
00:18:23
.
00:18:23
Speaker 1: Kate, yeah, oh yeah, she would 100%.
00:18:25
Now the goal is eventually to become the greatest true crime
00:18:30
podcast in the world.
00:18:31
Speaker 2: Listen, we already are.
00:18:32
I've told you this a thousand times, Dave.
00:18:34
We have the highest numbers.
00:18:35
Nobody look it up.
00:18:36
We are the number one true crime podcast in the world.
00:18:39
Speaker 1: Don't look it up, just take my word for it.
00:18:41
Listen, we have a producer.
00:18:43
Now we do.
00:18:44
Speaker 2: Listen, we're doing big things here.
00:18:45
Yeah, this guy gets 300K a year .
00:18:48
Six weeks of paid vacation Wow, what do we?
00:18:52
Speaker 1: get.
00:18:53
Speaker 3: We gotta we gotta put it all in our producer.
00:18:55
What's great about this is now I have a official record.
00:18:58
This is a basically a verbal contract.
00:19:06
Speaker 1: Now, if we do make it big now, we got to pay this guy
00:19:07
fucking this much with the six weeks.
00:19:08
I don't see anything written yeah.
00:19:10
Speaker 3: Verbal contracts are enforceable.
00:19:11
I Honestly think that I'm probably just ruining the show
00:19:15
more than helping.
00:19:16
But hey, if you want to pay me top dollar for it, I'm fine.
00:19:18
Speaker 1: It's all good, it's good, yeah, so once we, our goal
00:19:23
is to go on tour yes, I would love to do a fucking live tour
00:19:26
Love, love, love it.
00:19:27
And eventually, one day, that will include Australia.
00:19:32
Oh yeah, that's a bucket list for sure.
00:19:34
Yeah, because we have a lot of friends out there in Australia.
00:19:36
After the United States, australia is our second highest
00:19:40
followed country.
00:19:41
Speaker 2: I guess you could say , which is still crazy to me.
00:19:42
Yeah, love you guys out there though.
00:19:44
Speaker 1: Thank you for listening, and then Canada and
00:19:46
UK.
00:19:46
So, yeah, we definitely want to go to Australia.
00:19:50
Speaker 2: Let's also be honest.
00:19:51
Let's also be honest.
00:19:51
That would be more of a leisure thing too.
00:19:53
Speaker 1: What.
00:19:53
Speaker 4: Just to go to Australia.
00:19:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to just record, I want to go hang
00:19:58
out with everybody.
00:20:00
Speaker 3: I want to go sightseeing.
00:20:01
You ended up not filming an episode at all while you were
00:20:03
out there.
00:20:04
Speaker 2: No, we'd have to do one, but a tour.
00:20:06
Speaker 1: We'd have to do at least four dates because those
00:20:10
are like the primary areas.
00:20:12
We'd have to do Sydney area.
00:20:15
Yes, for sure, all the people from Yass can come.
00:20:18
Yes, we'd have to do Adelaide.
00:20:21
Yep, 100% Melbourne.
00:20:24
We'd have to do Melbourne and Perth out there in the west.
00:20:28
Speaker 3: We'd probably lock up the Sydney Opera House.
00:20:31
Yeah, oh, without a question yeah.
00:20:34
Speaker 2: We'd tell them we're the number one true crime
00:20:35
podcast in the world.
00:20:36
Speaker 1: We'd have to turn people away.
00:20:38
Speaker 2: Yeah.
00:20:39
Speaker 1: Sorry.
00:20:39
Speaker 2: How many seats does that hold?
00:20:41
Speaker 1: I have no idea, not enough, probably Standing room
00:20:43
only.
00:20:43
Yeah, you could get your boat and be out in the frickin' bay
00:20:48
there.
00:20:48
I like it, I like it.
00:20:49
So yeah, eventually we'll be out there.
00:20:51
Promises, promises, promises, we'll get there.
00:20:55
Speaker 2: All right, dave.
00:20:55
Yes, time to go to Florida.
00:20:57
Speaker 1: Yeah, sweet.
00:20:59
What in the fuck is going on in Florida?
00:21:05
Speaker 2: God, I love that intro.
00:21:06
All right, you ready?
00:21:08
Florida man takes a bite out of a deputy's head during a wild
00:21:13
rampage at.
00:21:14
Speaker 1: EDM.
00:21:14
Speaker 2: Festival.
00:21:15
You ever been to EDM like a music festival?
00:21:17
Have you ever?
00:21:19
Never went Like a three-day bender?
00:21:20
Not.
00:21:21
Speaker 4: Oh man no not officially.
00:21:22
Speaker 1: You're missing out on time.
00:21:23
Speaker 2: Yeah, a wild scene unfolded at the Soul Fest 2024
00:21:28
Music and Arts Festival down in Ponce de Leon, florida, ponce de
00:21:31
Leon, when a man went all out by taking a chump out of a
00:21:38
deputy during a wild rampage on sunday ponce de leon's, my
00:21:42
favorite explorer, really colonizer according to the
00:21:44
holmes county sheriff's office facebook posts.
00:21:46
Chaos ensued when james michael anderson, a festival worker,
00:21:49
went off.
00:21:50
The rails under the influence get this of a cocktail of
00:21:52
substances, including pcp.
00:21:53
The rails under the influence get this of a cocktail of
00:21:55
substances including PCP, LSD, ketamine, mushrooms and ecstasy.
00:21:59
What the fuck Dude was on another planet.
00:22:03
Speaker 1: I wasn't even fucking alive.
00:22:04
Speaker 2: I don't know.
00:22:04
It must have been like first off, ecstasy could have all
00:22:08
those things in it.
00:22:09
You never know, it's cut with a whole bunch of shit.
00:22:11
So whatever he popped positive it could have been, but still
00:22:13
PCP with a whole bunch of shit.
00:22:14
So whatever he popped positive it could have been, but still
00:22:15
PCP.
00:22:15
Double stacking all those is crazy.
00:22:17
That's wild.
00:22:17
Yeah, you're on another planet.
00:22:19
Anderson faced charges of aggravated battery on a law
00:22:23
enforcement officer.
00:22:24
He probably didn't even realize he was buying it?
00:22:26
Speaker 1: No, he probably was in it.
00:22:26
Thought it was like a fucking cantaloupe or something.
00:22:28
Speaker 2: Especially if you ever watch episodes of Cops when
00:22:35
they come across a duster like anybody on pcp, they'll get shot
00:22:37
and just keep going.
00:22:39
Yeah, it's wild, it's fucking crazy.
00:22:40
Um, where was I?
00:22:41
Uh?
00:22:42
aggravated assault battery on a law enforcement officer and
00:22:44
resisting arrest with violence after sinking his teeth into a
00:22:47
holmes county deputy's head during a frenzied attack amid
00:22:51
festivals beats.
00:22:52
So this was during the concert.
00:22:53
During this all, anderson not only went for the deputy's head
00:22:57
but also made a grab at the officer's gun, escalating the
00:22:59
situation to new heights of insanity.
00:23:01
We're gonna bring up the picture of the officer's head.
00:23:04
Look at all even show you right now.
00:23:06
Look at the chunk.
00:23:07
Speaker 1: It's a perfect fuck dude, it's gotta be nutty.
00:23:11
That is that's like a like, that's not like a bite.
00:23:14
That's actual, that's yeah, it's gotta be nutty.
00:23:15
That is that's like a like, that's not like a bite?
00:23:16
Speaker 2: that's actually a chunk.
00:23:16
Yeah, it's a chunk.
00:23:17
The sheriff officer shared a stomach churning image of the
00:23:20
deputy's injury, showcasing the aftermath of anderson's unhinged
00:23:23
attack.
00:23:24
When attempts to subdue anderson with a taser failed
00:23:27
yeah, because he was on pcp it took multiple deputies to bring
00:23:30
him under control.
00:23:31
Both anderson and the injured deputy required hospitalization
00:23:34
for their wounds.
00:23:34
After the chaotic festival scene, soulfest, an annual
00:23:37
gathering held at Vortex Spring, descended into madness from May
00:23:41
2nd to May 5th, leaving attendees shaken by the
00:23:43
outrageous events that have unfolded.
00:23:45
Speaker 1: That is fucking wild, holy shit.
00:23:48
Speaker 2: First off, to be able to take a chunk out of
00:23:50
someone's head like that, like that's to the bone, that's to
00:23:52
the skull.
00:23:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, you really gotta be digging deep for that
00:23:54
one.
00:23:54
Well, I mean PCP.
00:23:56
Speaker 2: I mean also like there was a guy who ate the guy
00:23:58
in Miami who was.
00:23:59
It was supposed to be spice.
00:24:00
Speaker 1: That was on bath salts, bath salts.
00:24:02
Speaker 2: but bath salts is synthetic PCP.
00:24:04
At the end of the day, tazer Like Tazer's fail, it doesn't
00:24:12
matter, you're in like Another world.
00:24:14
Speaker 1: And then you mix.
00:24:15
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you mix Every other drug Under the
00:24:18
sun.
00:24:18
It's just, it's impressive that he was still standing.
00:24:20
Speaker 1: Imagine sitting there .
00:24:21
The cop's probably Like getting into the Fucking.
00:24:22
You know Also he's got this Fucking dude Biting his head.
00:24:27
Speaker 2: I will say From experience, though, like those
00:24:29
music it a little wild, a little cray cray, yeah, a little crazy
00:24:33
, really.
00:24:33
Yeah, there's always somebody who wigs out.
00:24:36
There's always somebody like any listener who's been to a
00:24:40
Deadhead, you know who are Deadheads Grateful Dead concerts
00:24:43
, those kind of things.
00:24:43
There's always somebody in the front just doing like hand
00:24:47
circles, like out of their mind.
00:24:48
Speaker 4: It's wild.
00:24:49
But, to be fair, a good time sounds like a good time except
00:24:53
unless you get a chunk taken out of your skull.
00:24:55
Speaker 2: Yeah, but leave it up to a Florida man.
00:24:59
Speaker 1: Even our producer.
00:24:59
He does bath salts every once in a while.
00:25:02
Speaker 3: No, that's a lie.
00:25:07
Speaker 1: He has to to fucking sign up for this shit.
00:25:09
All right, well, that was a fucked up, fucking Florida man.
00:25:13
All right, well, that was a fucked up, fucking Florida man.
00:25:14
But we're going to jump right into this fucked up story about
00:25:17
a man out of Utah and his daughter is making a horrific
00:25:20
discovery while cleaning out their garage.
00:25:22
Shout out real quick to Chris Owen for doing the research on
00:25:25
the story.
00:25:25
Cheeky, we love you.
00:25:28
Yeah, so go ahead and climb in bed, relax, throw your
00:25:32
headphones on, punch your significant other in the face
00:25:34
and blame it on the night terrors, because it's time to
00:25:36
fuck this episode in the mouth.
00:25:38
Jesus, that was aggressive.
00:25:39
Oh yeah, a little violence in bed.
00:25:42
Hey, never hurt anybody, all right.
00:25:44
So now, on April 12, 2014, a man by the name of Darren West was
00:25:50
cleaning out the garage of the home he once shared with his
00:25:52
wife, megan and their three daughters, located at 536 East
00:25:56
200 North in Pleasant Grove, utah, which is about 35 miles
00:26:00
away from Salt Lake City and has a population of about 38
00:26:03
people.
00:26:03
Now, why do I say once shared, garrett?
00:26:06
Why?
00:26:06
It's because nine years earlier , in 2005, our friend Darren
00:26:09
here was charged and convicted for running a meth lab out of
00:26:12
the home, nice.
00:26:13
He pled to two counts of having chemical intended for
00:26:16
manufacturing methamphetamine and was sentenced to nine years
00:26:19
in prison.
00:26:19
So on this day, april 12th, darren was living in a halfway
00:26:23
house and received a 48-hour pass to come home clean it up a
00:26:27
little bit, you know, to make some space for him to move back
00:26:29
in Now at this time, in addition to two of his three daughters,
00:26:33
darren's parents the actual owners of the home were living
00:26:36
there, caring for the girls, along with Darren's sister and
00:26:39
brother-in-law, who lived in the in-law apartment in the
00:26:41
basement.
00:26:42
Now Darren was fixing to move back in once he was cleared, to
00:26:45
integrate back into society.
00:26:46
So Casey wants to know well, where's Megan, his wife of 21
00:26:50
years?
00:26:50
Well, casey, good question.
00:26:52
She lives in another town, not too far away, with her new
00:26:55
boyfriend.
00:26:55
Speaker 2: Of course.
00:26:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, so while Darren and Megan are still technically
00:26:58
married by law, they have been separated for some time,
00:27:01
probably because of the nine-year meth lab sentence.
00:27:04
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think meth heads stay together for
00:27:06
nine years outside of.
00:27:07
Speaker 1: They usually find more meth head friends to hang
00:27:10
out with.
00:27:10
But Megan has another man to bring to the boom boom room, so
00:27:13
everything's all good there, all right.
00:27:16
So why do the three daughters live with the grandparents and
00:27:18
not their mother, you ask?
00:27:20
Speaker 2: I don't know, because they probably lived in a meth
00:27:22
house.
00:27:23
Speaker 1: Probably lived in a meth house and also because
00:27:25
their dad's in jail and Megan their mother, is also a meth
00:27:29
head and an alcoholic.
00:27:30
She's actually cleaned herself a little bit.
00:27:33
She's not so much a meth head anymore, but she does like the
00:27:35
way the alcohol tastes.
00:27:36
Speaker 2: You know, usually it's the lips.
00:27:38
Usually we, we this podcast kind of shits on DCF for not
00:27:42
doing the right job.
00:27:42
So kudos to them actually taking those children out of
00:27:46
their home.
00:27:47
Speaker 1: So good for the grandparents to step up.
00:27:49
All right, Now let's all join Darren back in the garage, shall
00:27:52
we?
00:27:52
Him and his daughters are cleaning the garage, sorting
00:27:55
through some of the old boxes, keeping the ones with value and
00:27:58
throwing away you know, the junk .
00:27:59
Now I'm not 100% sure if it was Darren who came upon this one
00:28:03
particular box, or if it was his younger daughter, but whoever
00:28:06
came across it, someone opened up the cardboard box.
00:28:09
It was wrapped numerous times with electrical tape.
00:28:11
Speaker 3: What's in the box?
00:28:12
What's in the box?
00:28:14
Speaker 1: What's in the box?
00:28:15
What's in the box?
00:28:15
What's in the box?
00:28:16
Yeah, and then the box was allegedly marked Christmas stuff
00:28:19
.
00:28:19
Right Now the box was opened and they found a blanket folded
00:28:23
inside in a plastic bag, which was also wrapped in electrical
00:28:28
tape.
00:28:28
When they opened the plastic bag, they all got a whiff of
00:28:33
something putrid.
00:28:34
Speaker 4: Pleasant Girls Police .
00:28:35
Oh yes, ma'am, Can I have an officer come to?
00:28:39
Speaker 2: this address.
00:28:40
Speaker 4: And your name.
00:28:41
Speaker 2: My name's Darren West .
00:28:42
Speaker 4: I just found something in my garage.
00:28:45
I think it's a miscarriage.
00:28:49
Can you be more specific?
00:28:52
What do you mean by a miscarriage you found?
00:28:53
I have no idea.
00:28:55
Just please send an officer up here.
00:28:56
That sounds like you may need medical.
00:29:00
Speaker 1: It's been wrapped up in a plastic magnet Steve.
00:29:03
Speaker 4: Okay, what is it?
00:29:04
It's a little baby.
00:29:07
Speaker 2: Ooh, wow, wow.
00:29:09
Appreciate the editing on that too.
00:29:10
Yeah, that was me, that was me.
00:29:13
Speaker 1: I took the audio from something.
00:29:14
It was very suspenseful, though I know it was great.
00:29:19
Speaker 2: Perfect timing too.
00:29:20
It's a baby.
00:29:21
Speaker 1: Yeah, shout out to Investigation.
00:29:22
Raw on A&E for that little clip .
00:29:24
So Darren also made it clear over the phone that he was on
00:29:28
parole and he had a 48-hour pass to be at the residence, knowing
00:29:32
full well that the questions and implications that were about
00:29:35
to come as well, oh yeah, you know, I mean I found a dead baby
00:29:37
.
00:29:37
You're just getting out of prison, you know it's funny.
00:29:39
Speaker 2: He's probably upset because he it wasn't even
00:29:41
because of finding the baby, it was because, fuck, I'm on a 48
00:29:44
hour probation.
00:29:44
Speaker 1: I don't need this shit right now.
00:29:46
Speaker 2: I'm about to have police uh contact all right.
00:29:48
Speaker 1: So now darren, he gets off the phone with the
00:29:50
police, they're on their way, and then darren calls megan and
00:29:53
after pressing megan for answers and getting a little bit upset,
00:29:56
you know saying what have you done?
00:29:58
What have you done?
00:29:58
I found something in the garage .
00:30:00
You know.
00:30:00
Megan admitted to him that she had a miscarriage.
00:30:03
Uh, just after he had gone to prison back in 2006 what the?
00:30:07
fuck is going on all right.
00:30:09
Uh, she was upset at the time and messed up on the meth, you
00:30:12
know, she didn't know what to, so she placed the baby in a box
00:30:15
and put it in the garage.
00:30:15
Holy shit, she panicked, had a miscarriage.
00:30:18
Ah, you know, I'm high on fucking meth right now.
00:30:20
I don't want to call the cops.
00:30:21
What do I do?
00:30:22
I'm panicking, but I'm going to put the baby in the box.
00:30:30
Okay Now.
00:30:30
Police soon arrived on the scene and they were talking to
00:30:32
piece together what was happening.
00:30:34
Now Darren explained that he had spoken to his ex and she had
00:30:37
said that she had a miscarriage and placed the baby in the
00:30:40
garage.
00:30:40
At this point, police took things more seriously and
00:30:43
explained that they would need to also speak to Megan right
00:30:45
away, and then they then secured the scene.
00:30:47
One of the officers called Megan on her phone.
00:30:51
Speaker 3: Are you?
00:30:51
Speaker 1: able to help us understand what's going on here.
00:30:54
It was a miscarriage.
00:30:56
It was like nine years ago when we first left, and how far into
00:31:01
your pregnancy were you?
00:31:02
I was born, still born, what?
00:31:08
How soon can you?
00:31:10
Come down here Our detectives need to ask you some follow-up
00:31:13
questions so that we can rule out any kind of foul play.
00:31:18
Okay, listen to me, I need you to stay at your residence.
00:31:24
We're going to have a West Valley City officer come pick
00:31:27
you up.
00:31:28
Speaker 2: So she had to have gone to an OBGYN while she was
00:31:30
pregnant.
00:31:31
Right, she had to have gotten the test that was positive.
00:31:32
How do you make it all the way?
00:31:34
Speaker 1: One would think how do you make it all the way?
00:31:35
One would think.
00:31:35
Speaker 2: How do you make it all the way to?
00:31:37
She said it was stillborn, right, so that means she gave
00:31:40
birth to it.
00:31:41
Yes, there was no follow-up Like, hey, your due date is this
00:31:45
day.
00:31:45
You still haven't like.
00:31:47
Speaker 1: I'm confused.
00:31:47
I'm confused with what happened here.
00:31:49
Do we have a lot to?
00:31:51
Speaker 2: love.
00:31:52
All right, keep going then, cuz I'm confused.
00:31:55
I think there's like a laws to having kids and shit.
00:31:57
Yes, there is.
00:31:59
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, but you know.
00:32:01
So, before we continue further, let's learn a little bit more
00:32:03
about Darren West and Megan cunts man.
00:32:05
I mean huntsman, so Megan Huntsman.
00:32:08
She was born February 26 1975 in Pleasant Grove, utah.
00:32:12
It was the oldest child to Blaine and Joyce Huntsman.
00:32:14
They were a middle-class family that were heavily involved with
00:32:18
the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, isn't that?
00:32:21
Aren't you a member?
00:32:22
I'm not going to go there.
00:32:23
Speaker 2: You already know.
00:32:24
All right, keep going.
00:32:24
This is all making sense now, okay.
00:32:27
Speaker 1: The people that were around her growing up said that
00:32:30
she was shy, incredibly private.
00:32:33
Speaker 2: That is Mormon right.
00:32:34
Sure, Pretty sure.
00:32:37
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right.
00:32:38
I don't know they're Mormon Casey.
00:32:40
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's right, that's the Mormon church.
00:32:43
Speaker 1: All right Okay.
00:32:44
That's why I'm saying it All making sense here, but keep
00:32:47
going All right, so yeah, so the people around her growing up
00:32:49
said that she was shy, incredibly, incredibly private
00:32:51
and lacking confidence.
00:32:52
Megan met Darren West in high school.
00:32:55
Darren was a few years older than her.
00:32:58
He was a fairly quiet guy but he was also, you know, sort of a
00:33:03
bad boy.
00:33:03
You know, bad boy, yeah, they like those bad boys.
00:33:06
Darren skipped a lot of classes and he did a lot of partying,
00:33:09
drinking, you know doing some, you know bad boy shit, but
00:33:12
nothing too wild at first, you know.
00:33:17
Now I always have to say, like you know, there's always
00:33:18
something about these prim and proper like Christian school
00:33:20
girls.
00:33:20
Oh yeah, once they get to high school, like it opens up a whole
00:33:23
like new world to them.
00:33:24
You know we had a couple of Christian middle schools in my
00:33:27
town and you know we had no Christian high schools.
00:33:29
So now, once you, once the girls and the kids, you know
00:33:33
they graduated middle school from the Christian schools, they
00:33:35
had to go to the public high school.
00:33:36
Yeah, and let me tell you something, them Christian kids,
00:33:40
they can get fucking wild Anybody from around this area
00:33:44
knows it was the same thing with St Patrick's in Norwich.
00:33:48
Speaker 2: It was the same thing All the girls.
00:33:51
Once they got to NFA they were at the parties, game over, game
00:33:55
over, game over.
00:33:55
Speaker 1: Alright.
00:33:55
So anyway, megan and Darren Day Begin dating Now.
00:33:58
In 1993, darren was in college when Megan graduated From high
00:34:01
school and the moment she turned 18, darren proposed to her Wow,
00:34:05
and of course she said yes, come on, who wouldn't want, you
00:34:08
know, a hard party in school, skipping beer, drinking Drug,
00:34:12
doing 20 year old.
00:34:13
Bad boy yeah, fucking.
00:34:14
Skipping beer, drinking drug, doing 20 year old fucking
00:34:15
husband yeah, fucking.
00:34:15
Oh, that's gonna be, that's gonna be my baby, daddy, right.
00:34:17
So it wasn't long after this that Megan found herself
00:34:21
pregnant, and in true Megan Huntsman form, with her intense
00:34:24
privacy, in a way that she kept everything to herself.
00:34:26
She told no one at all about her pregnancy, not even Darren.
00:34:30
Wow.
00:34:31
Now there's also something we need to know about Megan, and
00:34:35
she is one of the rare people that carries their pregnancy
00:34:39
very well, meaning that she does not show.
00:34:41
Now, you have to be really fucking intimate with someone to
00:34:46
even know that she's pregnant.
00:34:48
Speaker 2: That's interesting.
00:34:48
Was she heavier set?
00:34:50
Speaker 1: No, she just I don't know what do you call that.
00:34:54
She had them burthen hips, Hippie, I don't know what do you
00:34:57
call that she?
00:34:57
had them burthens hips.
00:34:58
She was hippie, I don't know.
00:34:59
She just she just held her pregnancies very well.
00:35:01
Um, now, megan was pretty near a full term before anyone knew,
00:35:07
including darren.
00:35:07
Uh wasn't until she was about to give birth like actually give
00:35:12
birth that she finally decided to tell Darren that she was
00:35:14
pregnant and, uh, she ended up giving birth at home on her own.
00:35:17
What the fuck, yep.
00:35:19
Now, at the time, uh, darren's parents they owned the home on
00:35:23
536 East 200 North in Pleasant Grove, utah, and they basically
00:35:28
offered up the home to Darren and Megan to live in as they
00:35:30
were starting a new family.
00:35:31
Uh, after they, as they were starting a new family, after
00:35:33
they moved into their new home, megan found work as a house
00:35:35
cleaner and babysitter and Darren found work in
00:35:37
construction.
00:35:38
It wasn't very long before Megan found herself pregnant
00:35:42
again and, true to form, she did the very same thing as the
00:35:46
first pregnancy she didn't tell anyone.
00:35:49
Speaker 2: I mean you need?
00:35:50
Didn't say a word.
00:35:50
There's prenatal vitamins you have to take.
00:35:52
There's a?
00:35:54
Speaker 1: She didn't say anything I don't know, kept it a
00:35:56
secret.
00:35:57
She gave birth at home, again by herself, and it wasn't until
00:36:03
after this baby was born that she told Darren hey, guess what?
00:36:07
You got another kid.
00:36:08
You got another fucking kid.
00:36:09
I don't know, I wouldn't believe her, wow.
00:36:10
Well, there it is, wow.
00:36:12
Speaker 2: Well, there it is.
00:36:12
I'd be like where did you get that baby from?
00:36:14
Yeah, where did you get?
00:36:14
Speaker 1: that baby, hey.
00:36:15
So now they have two daughters, with the oldest one being about
00:36:18
a year old at this point.
00:36:19
Now, for a while, things are going pretty well, both Megan
00:36:22
and Darren.
00:36:23
They're working, they're supporting their young family.
00:36:24
Now it wasn't until the kids turned about two and three that
00:36:27
things started to turn a little south.
00:36:30
Darren never really stopped being a bit of the bad boy and
00:36:33
even though they were raising two young daughters, he was
00:36:36
working and still partying hard.
00:36:38
He was getting heavier and heavier into drugs and this soon
00:36:41
rubbed off on Megan.
00:36:42
I mean Megan, up to that point she had partied as well, but she
00:36:47
was a little bit more recreational, dabbling in a
00:36:49
little weed here and there.
00:36:50
Nothing major.
00:36:51
But now Megan's going right for the meth, that's all it takes.
00:36:55
Took that there, nothing major, you know.
00:36:56
But now megan's going right for the meth, it's all it takes.
00:36:57
Took that jump, jump right into the meth, it's all it takes.
00:36:58
One time, yeah, and it wasn't long at all before it developed
00:37:00
into a full-blown addiction, and at this point both darren and
00:37:03
megan were heavily addicted and became frequent users.
00:37:06
It was said that they were spending hundreds of dollars a
00:37:09
day on meth, which is substantial considering that
00:37:13
this is like the late 90s, early 2000s.
00:37:15
Speaker 2: I know, and most meth heads are buying like $10 vials
00:37:20
basically you know what I mean.
00:37:21
Speaker 1: They don't have cash like that, right yeah, they're
00:37:24
going through a shit ton of fucking meth.
00:37:25
So as the drug addiction progressed, both Darren and
00:37:29
Megan got to the point of losing both their jobs and with no way
00:37:33
to support their growing, inexpensive drug habit.
00:37:35
There we of losing both their jobs and with no way to support
00:37:35
their growing and expensive drug habit, there we go.
00:37:37
What do you think they did?
00:37:41
Speaker 2: Darren began to manufacture his own meth.
00:37:44
Speaker 1: Start getting all the lab ready, right.
00:37:46
You know, this way they could have a constant supply for both
00:37:49
he and Megan, as well as a steady income from other meth
00:37:53
users.
00:37:53
You know, at this point it was common for Megan and Darren to
00:37:56
go on huge drug binges and neglect the children.
00:37:59
They would leave the house, the kids fucking at home, whatever,
00:38:03
just wander off and go do their fucking meth.
00:38:05
They also started to become quite aggressive and verbally
00:38:09
abusive towards each other.
00:38:10
This verbal abuse and aggression played out
00:38:12
continually in front of the children, but there's never been
00:38:14
any proof that the violence was directed towards the children.
00:38:18
Besides the neglect, that's not really saying much, but you
00:38:22
know?
00:38:22
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, there definitely was.
00:38:23
Neglect is still child abuse?
00:38:25
Speaker 1: Oh, 100%.
00:38:26
Megan started to develop some pretty severe mental health
00:38:29
issues, like severe anxiety, depression and, as a side effect
00:38:33
of anyone using meth, she also developed psychosis, paranoia
00:38:37
and obsessive compulsive behavior.
00:38:39
Now, before the drug use, megan looked like a regular,
00:38:42
attractive, young 20-something-year-old with
00:38:45
vitality and life, you know.
00:38:47
But she pretty quickly decided to decline, physically as well,
00:38:51
due to how heavy they were using .
00:38:53
Speaker 2: I was going to say, if you're doing that, hundreds
00:38:55
of dollars of meth a day, it's a .
00:38:57
That's the one drug that amazes me on how fast your physical.
00:39:00
It just drains open sores your eyes sink in.
00:39:04
It happens so fast too.
00:39:06
You ever seen like when they take the mug shots of meth heads
00:39:09
?
00:39:09
Speaker 1: over the years.
00:39:10
It's like their first meth arrest and then like their 19th
00:39:13
right.
00:39:13
It's just it's like night and day.
00:39:14
Speaker 2: It looks like the Gollum from Lord of the Rings.
00:39:17
Speaker 1: Yeah, fucking walking dead shit.
00:39:18
Yeah.
00:39:20
So she started to lose weight.
00:39:21
She lost some of her teeth, her hair started falling out.
00:39:24
She also developed premature wrinkling in her face, you know,
00:39:28
like we just talked about.
00:39:29
Now it's speculated, but not proven, that Darren may have
00:39:32
gotten physical with Megan as she was regularly Seen with
00:39:34
black eyes and bruising.
00:39:35
But I guess that Darren may have gotten physical with Megan
00:39:36
as she was regularly seen with black eyes and bruising.
00:39:36
Speaker 2: But I guess that can be another side effect of most
00:39:39
meth heads have black eyes and bruises, yeah, so who knows?
00:39:43
Speaker 1: Now, 1996, megan became pregnant again and, just
00:39:47
like the other two pregnancies, she keeps it completely to
00:39:50
herself.
00:39:50
Now, with this third pregnancy and her being addicted to meth
00:39:55
and the other complications of her life, she continues to use
00:39:58
meth throughout this pregnancy.
00:39:59
Megan carried this baby to full term and no one was the wiser.
00:40:05
She and Darren had friends over on this night and Megan excused
00:40:09
herself from the group, saying she wasn't feeling well and
00:40:11
needed to go lay down.
00:40:11
She went upstairs into the bathroom and had the baby in the
00:40:15
bathtub, but this time something was a little bit
00:40:19
different.
00:40:19
Garrett, more on that in a second.
00:40:22
We're going to fast forward here.
00:40:24
We're going to go back to april 12th 2014, and now megan is at
00:40:29
the pleasant view police station being questioned by the
00:40:31
detectives in regards to the baby in the box well, you know
00:40:36
why we here, what we're here to talk about.
00:40:38
Speaker 4: Just start at the beginning and tell me what
00:40:40
happened.
00:40:41
Well, we were doing drugs a lot .
00:40:44
That's what he was in prison for .
00:40:45
I got pregnant right before he left and I really didn't know
00:40:51
because I thought it was just stress and stuff.
00:40:53
He went to prison in 2006?
00:40:56
Yeah, how far along were you in prison?
00:40:59
Like a couple months?
00:41:00
Where did you have to be In the house?
00:41:03
In the house, in the house that you and Darren went to?
00:41:06
Mm-hmm Describe to me what happened.
00:41:12
Well, I was having a lot of pain that day.
00:41:13
I didn't go to work, my kids were at school.
00:41:15
I went in the bathroom and just sat there.
00:41:19
I went.
00:41:20
It was really hard.
00:41:21
I was blue, I wasn't crying, I was by myself.
00:41:25
I didn't know what to do, I couldn't get into crying or
00:41:28
anything.
00:41:28
Then what happened?
00:41:30
I got scared and I wrapped it up, not being smart and calling
00:41:38
you guys.
00:41:38
I was in shock.
00:41:38
It was stupid of me to do it.
00:41:39
What do you mean when you say you wrapped it up?
00:41:40
You know it was a towel with a carlisle inside or something.
00:41:47
I put it in a box.
00:41:50
So you're on the toilet, you have the baby.
00:41:53
You said you tried to get it to breathe.
00:41:55
What did you do?
00:41:57
Speaker 1: I tried just to clean his mouth out and stuff.
00:42:01
Speaker 4: I couldn't feel a heartbeat or anything.
00:42:03
Okay, so you clean the baby's mouth up, try to get it to
00:42:06
breathe, and then what it passed out for a little bit I think I
00:42:10
lost a lot of blood.
00:42:11
And then when my kids got home from school, I just told them I
00:42:15
wasn't feeling well, and then I cleaned myself up and I went and
00:42:18
got a box and then, as far as you know, unless someone else
00:42:22
moved it, the baby's been in the box in the garage since that
00:42:27
first year that Darren went to prison.
00:42:28
Were you worried somebody else would find it when you guys were
00:42:31
cleaning the garage?
00:42:32
Speaker 3: Yeah.
00:42:33
Speaker 4: And so what would you do to make sure that didn't
00:42:35
happen?
00:42:35
Just kind of slide it and like sweep around, you know, and then
00:42:39
set stuff on it and you know well, they knew that part was
00:42:43
already clean.
00:42:44
So what would you have done differently?
00:42:48
Speaker 3: Looking back.
00:42:49
Speaker 4: Call the cops and tell them that I had a baby and
00:42:51
that I couldn't get to breathe and have the paramedics and
00:42:54
stuff come.
00:42:55
Speaker 2: No, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, let's
00:42:58
hear it.
00:42:58
So after she had her first two children, yes, and she went to
00:43:02
the doctor like, oh yeah, by the way, I have here's these, I
00:43:05
need birth certificates and social security numbers for
00:43:08
these kids.
00:43:08
Yeah, nobody was like, hey, you can't do it like that.
00:43:13
Speaker 1: Nobody like tried to like tell her I I'm sure they
00:43:15
did, I'm sure they did she just I don't know.
00:43:16
I don't know if it was because, well, originally she was like
00:43:20
you know, we said she's extremely private.
00:43:22
She's like, very like to herself I guess, but you know.
00:43:26
So she was just like well, if nobody knows I'm pregnant, then
00:43:31
why should I say that I'm pregnant?
00:43:32
Speaker 2: I think you know as a detective, my first reaction
00:43:35
would have been like no, this lady killed her baby and then
00:43:37
she's trying to hide it or whatever.
00:43:38
Okay, but knowing like the first two were born like that,
00:43:42
she's basically a midwife.
00:43:43
She's like I was cleaning out its mouth, I was doing
00:43:45
everything I like she was an expert at this point.
00:43:46
So now you know I truly believe her at this point that yeah
00:43:49
that it was a.
00:43:50
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, now with this, you know, everything seems
00:43:54
well and good.
00:43:54
It's like all right, you know she's being honest, she's being
00:43:56
forthcoming, accepting responsibility, she admits the
00:44:00
baby's stillborn, you know, and she just panicked.
00:44:03
Yeah, understandable, I get it Okay.
00:44:05
It happens, but let's not forget this one little detail.
00:44:09
This is in regards to the baby born in 2006,.
00:44:12
Right yeah, shortly after Darren went to prison.
00:44:14
So what about this baby she had in the bathtub we were just
00:44:19
talking about in 1996?
00:44:20
Hmm, now, during the interview with Megan, there's a knock at
00:44:24
the door and the detective is asked to step out of the room.
00:44:27
When he returns, he drops a bombshell.
00:44:31
Speaker 4: We have investigators in the house right now.
00:44:33
Speaker 3: They found a second baby.
00:44:34
Speaker 4: What the fuck Can you tell me about that?
00:44:38
There is, there's more.
00:44:39
I'm sorry, I have hit every one of them.
00:44:41
There's others.
00:44:44
How many, I'm not even sure.
00:44:45
I've lost so many drugs and stuff During it all I can't even
00:44:49
remember.
00:44:49
So how many do you think will we find in the garage Four?
00:44:57
Speaker 2: Four.
00:44:57
They found four babies in.
00:45:02
Speaker 1: Okay, she's admitting to four.
00:45:03
All right, that's amazing, yep.
00:45:08
So now they found a second baby in a box and Megan just
00:45:12
admitted that there will be four babies found in this garage.
00:45:15
Okay, no more surprises.
00:45:17
There's four in there, right, yeah?
00:45:18
Okay, she maintains that all of the babies were either
00:45:21
miscarriages or stillborn, but things just aren't adding up,
00:45:26
garrett.
00:45:26
Speaker 2: No, there's something stranger.
00:45:27
There's something strange here.
00:45:28
Speaker 1: Sure, you panicked when your one baby was stillborn
00:45:31
and instead of calling the paramedics or the police, you
00:45:34
placed the baby in a box.
00:45:35
Okay, but two, three, four.
00:45:41
Speaker 4: You moved into the house in 2001.
00:45:42
Oh, we moved in that house in 96.
00:45:50
, and so the first baby that was born in the house would have
00:45:53
been in 1996, shortly after you moved in.
00:45:56
Yeah, okay.
00:45:58
The last one was right after you went to prison.
00:46:02
Did you put all four in the garage?
00:46:04
Yeah, did you keep them in the same place in the garage?
00:46:08
What did you?
00:46:09
It was covered, okay, and so all four boxes are in the same
00:46:13
place.
00:46:15
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, I just want to be able to relay to the
00:46:17
tech kids what they're going to find, and so all four.
00:46:23
Speaker 4: Yes, children are in the cabinet in the garage.
00:46:26
Yes, so have the babies been in the garage the whole time?
00:46:31
I never moved them or anything, but yeah, they've been in the
00:46:34
garage the whole time.
00:46:35
So we're talking eight years ago.
00:46:38
Yes, you told me earlier that you put the boxes with the
00:46:44
babies in them in the cabinet.
00:46:45
Yeah, did you ever take them out of that cabinet?
00:46:48
No, I imagine in the last nine years stuff's been in and out of
00:46:51
that cabinet.
00:46:51
I imagine in the last nine years stuff's been in and out of
00:46:53
the apartment.
00:46:53
I didn't think so because I was just there a month or so ago
00:46:57
getting my bed and stuff out of there, and I've seen it sitting
00:47:01
there.
00:47:01
You described you had the one in the tub, that you filled the
00:47:04
tub and had it.
00:47:05
Yeah, I did yeah.
00:47:06
Was that baby alive when it was born?
00:47:09
No, for a short time.
00:47:11
Why Well, for a short time?
00:47:13
Why, well, you think if I have a baby in the house it just
00:47:17
cries, you know, mm-hmm.
00:47:19
Well, you say you think it was for a short time.
00:47:21
Was it moving?
00:47:22
Did it start to breathe?
00:47:25
No, it wasn't breathing.
00:47:26
Speaker 1: I could see a little heartbeat and then it stopped.
00:47:29
Speaker 4: Okay, for about how long Did you kill the baby, dr
00:47:36
McCord?
00:47:36
What we need is the truth.
00:47:43
Which one?
00:47:46
No, I was just so scared I was, so I was so bad I choked him.
00:47:49
How did you choke him?
00:47:50
Yeah, on drugs were bad.
00:47:52
I choked it.
00:47:52
What the fuck, how did you choke it?
00:47:53
Do you think all four of these babies were alive when it was
00:47:58
born?
00:47:58
I'm pretty sure one of them wasn't Good.
00:48:00
And did you choke the?
00:48:07
Speaker 2: others.
00:48:07
Yes, I did Dude over a nine-year period.
00:48:15
This woman was just popping out kids.
00:48:18
Speaker 1: That nobody knew about.
00:48:19
Speaker 2: That no one knew about Popping them out, and then
00:48:20
she was drowning and choking and strangling them Like this
00:48:24
story is wild.
00:48:25
Speaker 1: Yep.
00:48:25
So now, Megan, you know she's admitted to murdering three of
00:48:28
her babies, while still you know she's adamant that the fourth
00:48:30
one was stillborn.
00:48:31
Okay to murdering three of her babies, while still you know
00:48:32
she's adamant that the fourth one was still born.
00:48:33
Okay.
00:48:33
Now, in regards to the baby born in 1996, after she gave
00:48:36
birth to the baby in the bathtub , she said she put her thumbs on
00:48:40
the baby's throat and pressed until the baby stopped breathing
00:48:43
.
00:48:43
At that point she wrapped the baby in towels and then put the
00:48:46
baby in a garbage bag, rolled it up, wrapped it in more
00:48:50
electrical tape and placed it in the box and covered that with
00:48:53
electrical tape, right.
00:48:55
She then took the box downstairs into her garage and
00:48:57
put the box amongst the other boxes that were labeled
00:49:00
christmas stuff.
00:49:00
She then went back to the bathroom, cleaned it up and went
00:49:03
to bed, but nothing ever fucking happened my, my whole
00:49:06
thing is like it sounds so mentally unstable to.
00:49:10
Speaker 2: she's like keeping them too as keepsakes, like
00:49:12
that's something a crazy person would do yes, it's not.
00:49:16
Speaker 1: I don't think it's just the murdering aspect, it's
00:49:19
the little postpartum, the little meth, the trophies, the
00:49:23
souvenirs kind of thing.
00:49:25
Speaker 2: There's definitely some postpartum stuff going on
00:49:27
there too.
00:49:27
It's just strange yeah.
00:49:29
Speaker 1: Or either that or.
00:49:30
Speaker 2: And she never tried to get rid of them either.
00:49:31
Right.
00:49:32
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah.
00:49:33
Speaker 2: Like that in the garage.
00:49:34
Speaker 1: Those years, yeah, yep so.
00:49:36
So life carried on for Megan.
00:49:38
You know Well, darren was none the wiser about the dead baby in
00:49:41
the garage.
00:49:42
The parties continued, the drug binges continued and it isn't
00:49:46
too long before you guessed it, megan finds herself pregnant
00:49:49
once again.
00:49:50
She again, doesn't tell anyone and carries the baby the full
00:49:53
term, repeating the exact same thing she did when she killed
00:49:56
the first baby Now having the baby in secret, disposing the
00:50:01
baby's body in the box and placing it in the garage.
00:50:02
You know, now you're seeing like a pattern.
00:50:03
So over the next 10 years, between the ages of 21 and 31,
00:50:07
megan repeated the same heinous crime over and over and over
00:50:11
repeatedly getting pregnant and giving birth on her own, in
00:50:15
secret, murdering the babies, wrapping them up, putting them
00:50:18
in boxes, taping them shut and putting them in the garage.
00:50:20
All right.
00:50:21
Now what's even more wild is that during this time of baby
00:50:29
killing, megan and Darren did have a third healthy child that
00:50:30
escaped Megan's death grip in the 2000, and the only reason
00:50:34
she survived Was because Darren picked up on Megan's pregnancy
00:50:38
in a ninth month.
00:50:39
She had no choice but to keep the child, because now Darren
00:50:42
was like, oh, yeah, okay, you see, having another baby, great,
00:50:45
yeah.
00:50:46
So now they have three, three healthy daughters.
00:50:49
Speaker 2: So now Megan, which is crazy that in the middle of a
00:50:51
meth fueled raid, a 10 year meth binge, she was able to have
00:50:56
a healthy child, right.
00:50:57
Speaker 1: So now fast forward back to the uh the interrogation
00:51:00
.
00:51:00
Megan is now being questioned regarding the four dead babies
00:51:03
in the garage and, just like any good infomercial, garrett
00:51:06
playing at 3.
00:51:06
Am.
00:51:07
Wait, there is more.
00:51:10
Speaker 4: I am really happy with how far you've come, but
00:51:13
I'm concerned that you haven't told me everything.
00:51:15
How many do you think there possibly could be?
00:51:22
Honestly, I don't know, I don't .
00:51:24
Okay, they are up to five.
00:51:27
Speaker 1: They found five so far.
00:51:31
Speaker 4: And so, now that there's five, are you still
00:51:33
certain that one of them was dead when it was born and so the
00:51:37
other four were alive?
00:51:38
There could be more.
00:51:40
Like I said, I can't remember a damn thing.
00:51:42
How many do you think there would be?
00:51:45
I would say eight or nine.
00:51:48
So it could be eight or nine, but I know there's no more than
00:51:52
that.
00:51:52
It's like a baby factor and I know there's none in the house.
00:51:55
I mean, if you have smell, they're in the house, right?
00:51:58
Did the smell from the garage ever come in the house?
00:52:01
So it'd just be out in the garage?
00:52:04
People said it was some smell, you know, like in the heat of
00:52:08
the summer.
00:52:08
We heat in the summer, we had chats and stuff, and you know I
00:52:11
just I think it was always just playing dumb.
00:52:14
Speaker 1: Now You're saying Darren never knew.
00:52:17
Speaker 4: I told you only me.
00:52:18
I've kept this to myself for 18 years, so I'm the only person
00:52:23
that you've ever told yes.
00:52:27
Speaker 1: Wild, wild, wild, wild.
00:52:29
Alright.
00:52:31
So now she says there could be 8 or 9 bodies of the babies in
00:52:35
her garage.
00:52:35
She has no idea.
00:52:36
She doesn't know how many times she's gotten pregnant.
00:52:37
How many babies there are?
00:52:38
No more than nine, though Guaranteed.
00:52:40
No more than nine.
00:52:42
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to think of the logistics on this.
00:52:44
So she would give birth, get pregnant right after, carry a
00:52:48
baby full term, kill it, put it in the garage, get pregnant
00:52:53
again Like it's just.
00:52:54
It's wild.
00:52:56
Speaker 1: Yeah, like once a year at least, yep, yep.
00:52:59
So the police are searching the garage and, after extensive
00:53:05
search of the home and of Megan's current address,
00:53:07
authorities were able to find seven babies in boxes, all of
00:53:12
them in the garage.
00:53:13
Now Megan admitted to killing six of the babies, but said that
00:53:16
one of the babies was definitely born still born at
00:53:19
full term she's adamant about that which is possible.
00:53:22
Okay.
00:53:22
In one instance she told a detective that she remembers
00:53:26
that she had strangled one of the babies with her hair tie.
00:53:29
Megan said that she was haunted by demons and her addictions
00:53:34
and she believed that she couldn't be a good mother to her
00:53:36
children.
00:53:36
She claimed in some small way I wanted to help them avoid the
00:53:41
terrible life I would have given them.
00:53:43
I deprived my little babies of an opportunity at life.
00:53:47
Megan was then subsequently charged with six counts of
00:53:51
murder.
00:53:51
She was held on $6 million bail $1 million per each murdered
00:53:55
baby.
00:53:56
The state would not seek the death penalty because she had
00:53:59
killed the babies between 1996 and 2006, which was just before
00:54:03
the law in the state of Utah that had changed the murder of a
00:54:07
victim younger than 14 to a capital offense.
00:54:09
They changed that in 2007, so they missed that by a year.
00:54:13
The judge that presided over her case was the same judge who
00:54:16
had actually signed a search warrant on the date of the
00:54:19
initial 911 call.
00:54:20
He had said that he hoped and prayed that he was not going to
00:54:23
be assigned this one case because it would have been too
00:54:26
much to fucking deal with.
00:54:27
You know who wants to fucking.
00:54:30
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an insane story.
00:54:34
Speaker 1: She told the investigators that she would
00:54:35
hold the baby for no longer than a minute or two and then she
00:54:39
would use her thumbs to press forward to block the airway and
00:54:42
essentially strangling the baby.
00:54:44
She took a plea deal rather than going to trial and pled
00:54:48
guilty to six counts of first-degree felony murder.
00:54:50
As part of the plea deal, the prosecutors did agree to
00:54:53
recommend that the five years to life in prison sentence run
00:54:56
concurrent, which means they all run at the same time.
00:54:58
The judge said fuck you and sentenced her to life for each
00:55:04
murder, with three of the sentences running consecutively,
00:55:07
one after the other and the other charges running concurrent
00:55:10
.
00:55:10
Speaker 2: So she what got?
00:55:11
600 years in jail?
00:55:13
Speaker 1: yeah, it's something fucking weird, but uh, her first
00:55:16
parole hearing won't be until april of 2064, when she will be
00:55:20
89 years old, so she's pretty much spending the rest of her
00:55:24
fucking life in prison.
00:55:24
Good, fuck her.
00:55:26
Uh.
00:55:27
In court, her three daughters read statements in support of
00:55:30
their mother, all saying that she had always been the best
00:55:32
mother.
00:55:33
Yeah, despite the meth use and the neglect and the abandonment.
00:55:39
Other than that she was great, yeah, mother of the year.
00:55:42
In addition to her healthy three alive daughters, megan
00:55:48
gave birth to five girls and two boys.
00:55:50
Speaker 2: God, damn, that's a lot of kids.
00:55:53
Speaker 1: Six of the seven were alive anywhere from a few
00:55:56
seconds after birth up to two minutes before being killed by
00:56:00
their mother.
00:56:00
Dna tests taken of all the babies proved that Darren was
00:56:05
the father of each of them, which is good.
00:56:06
She didn't wander off to any other methods.
00:56:09
Darren and his daughters had given names for each of the
00:56:14
babies and gave them a proper burial, which is good.
00:56:17
Give them an official name.
00:56:20
Speaker 2: You know it's funny.
00:56:21
When you first start hearing the story, you think Darren is
00:56:23
going to be up to something.
00:56:24
No good yeah.
00:56:24
It turned out to be the baby spawning twisted mother on meth.
00:56:31
Speaker 1: Dude, he's got some fucking strong seed though.
00:56:35
Speaker 2: The fact that she could just hide baby after baby
00:56:37
too is impressive.
00:56:38
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, so that'll do it for what's in the
00:56:41
Box by Criminal AF.
00:56:43
Speaker 2: I didn't think it was going to be six dead babies.
00:56:44
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00:56:47
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